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Vaud said:
superkartracer said:
Touched a nerve ? , nothing to debate.. , the race was boring , save the start.
I've just watched the race and dipped into the thread.Boring race - I have to disagree. 5 laps from the end I had no idea who was going to win. Have to rewatch to see how Vet got from 10 to 3 as I missed his moves/strategy calls.
All drove well (that finished).
My driver of the day - HAM, that was a class drive, and I'm not his greatest fan.
superkartracer said:
Touched a nerve ?
Not at all. You're the one who chose to look at my profile, infer my profession, and then have a dig at me about it. Speaks volumes about someone that the first thing they do when someone disagrees with them is to get personal. Anyway, no matter. This thread is going the way that pretty much all F1 threads go after the race as finished. Ahm oot.
REALIST123 said:
Really? You had no idea who was going to win with 5 laps to go? That says more about you than the race, IMO.
Oh come on, maybe by 5 laps it was becoming clear that Lewis had it. But what about before the last pit stops, and immediately after when we didn't know if Lewis had stopped at the right time. Williams messed up their strategy else they could have avoided the under cut. There was plenty going on there.Jasandjules said:
Amateurish said:
As for Williams "letting" Bottas past Massa, I can't think of any racer who would willingly concede the lead of the race to his team-mate.
Uh, Felipe, Valteri is faster than you.....................Norfolkit said:
Jasandjules said:
Amateurish said:
As for Williams "letting" Bottas past Massa, I can't think of any racer who would willingly concede the lead of the race to his team-mate.
Uh, Felipe, Valteri is faster than you.....................Exige77 said:
So we didn't have the same driver winning over and over before then ?
In case you hadn't noticed, Mercedes/Hamilton have an all time record number of poles/wins/podiums. But why let the facts stand in the way of a good rant.Exige77 said:
Fuel saving ? I remember when cars used to regularly run out of fuel.
Yes, but at least they ran out rather than pussying about on the circuit.Exige77 said:
This is a thread for people who enjoy F1 and want to discuss it an not bleat on about "it was better before".
Well, let's face it, if you can enjoy watching this era of F1 you could probably get a new hobby watching paint dry and get a bigger kick out of that.Exige77 said:
If you don't like F1, don't watch it.
Sound advice I'm sure - but the audience is already declining very rapidly. Silverstone and a couple of other aces might sell our but most grandstands are half empty through the season and the TV audience is shrinking fast.F1 at present is dull. Very dull indeed. Get over it. I'd like to see it improved. So would many other fans.
Norfolkit said:
Can't quite fathom the assumption that if Massa had let Bottas by that he (Bottas) would build some sort of lead that Massa couldn't. He never really threatened Massa even though he had DRS and Massa didn't. For a "future world champion" he's hardly blowing Massa away, can't really buy the hype about Bottas.
Were you watching Bottas' onboard? He was smoother under braking even following in the dirty air. He was hitting the apex cleaner than Massa and his car seemed more planted (incredibly his tyre wear was lower despite following Massa). I suspect he was at least 0.25s a lap faster and if he'd had clean air would have pulled out of DRS range quickly.Consider that Lewis couldn't get a massive overtake done on Bottas despite the Quali pace differential...
marshall100 said:
Mclaren, you have to wonder how long it's going to be before heads start to roll. They are an absolute shambles.
The catch for "Ron" is,- He fell out with Mercedes
- He wouldn't go near Renault (wisely)
- Ferrari wouldn't sell him an engine if he offered double the going rate (previous spying)
REALIST123 said:
Really? You had no idea who was going to win with 5 laps to go? That says more about you than the race, IMO.
No need for the abuse. If you feel the need to respond that way then take a long hard look at yourself and how to engage in debate.I do not possess a crystal ball and the weather was all over the place. Hamilton has been known to suffer both car and strategy errors at key moments.
So, no, I knew who was leading. But I would not have laid money on the winner.
Jasandjules said:
Were you watching Bottas' onboard? He was smoother under braking even following in the dirty air. He was hitting the apex cleaner than Massa and his car seemed more planted (incredibly his tyre wear was lower despite following Massa). I suspect he was at least 0.25s a lap faster and if he'd had clean air would have pulled out of DRS range quickly.
I think you're right.IMO the problem was simple. Williams hadn't made any plans for the highly unlikely event that they ended up running first and second in the race so had to make it up as they went along - and got it wrong. Massa, of whom I remain a huge fan, should have been told to release the quicker car behind him. It IMO cost Williams a podium.
Jasandjules said:
Were you watching Bottas' onboard? He was smoother under braking even following in the dirty air. He was hitting the apex cleaner than Massa and his car seemed more planted (incredibly his tyre wear was lower despite following Massa). I suspect he was at least 0.25s a lap faster and if he'd had clean air would have pulled out of DRS range quickly.
I wouldn't disagree with your first statement but to be honest the second is speculation, might have happened, might not have done. I for one think Williams were right, you couldn't just ask Massa to surrender the lead of the race (not 2nd/3rd etc, the lead!) on the chance that Bottas could have made more of it, I'm not sure he would.Ozzie Osmond said:
I think you're right.
IMO the problem was simple. Williams hadn't made any plans for the highly unlikely event that they ended up running first and second in the race so had to make it up as they went along - and got it wrong. Massa, of whom I remain a huge fan, should have been told to release the quicker car behind him. It IMO cost Williams a podium.
The car was awful in the wet. Remember that Bottas radioed the team about it. They would have been sitting ducks anyway even if it would have been nice to see if Bottas could lead second stint.IMO the problem was simple. Williams hadn't made any plans for the highly unlikely event that they ended up running first and second in the race so had to make it up as they went along - and got it wrong. Massa, of whom I remain a huge fan, should have been told to release the quicker car behind him. It IMO cost Williams a podium.
Vaud said:
superkartracer said:
Touched a nerve ? , nothing to debate.. , the race was boring , save the start.
Boring race - I have to disagree..Thinking back , they are mostly 90% crap aren't they
superkartracer said:
Maybe i was expecting too much , never missed a race for 15 years , not watched one for 18 months.. so..
Thinking back , they are mostly 90% crap aren't they
Many are, bit over the years I have learned that I enjoy races more since I stopped following just one team and driver, and since I watch mid field battles more.Thinking back , they are mostly 90% crap aren't they
Was it the greatest ever race? Nope. Was it a good way to spend 90 mins? Yup. Sell out crowd looked pretty happy and I guess they paid a lot more than me
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