I thought Jenson had a two year deal?
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Redlake27 said:
Whilst I think that Jenson deserves one more year with a competitive Honda engine, I can't help but think that McLaren would be just as well off with Magnussen as Alonso's #2.
However, if Aston Martin do come in and rebrand Red Bull, Force India or Williams then I can't think of a better Aston Martin brand ambassador in the paddock than Jenson Button. He has the look, the nationality and the initials to be a great PR coup for Aston.
I really do love the idea of JB seeing out a couple of seasons pre-retirement in a Martini liveried Williams-Aston Martin with Merc power. However, if Aston Martin do come in and rebrand Red Bull, Force India or Williams then I can't think of a better Aston Martin brand ambassador in the paddock than Jenson Button. He has the look, the nationality and the initials to be a great PR coup for Aston.
m444ttb said:
I really do love the idea of JB seeing out a couple of seasons pre-retirement in a Martini liveried Williams-Aston Martin with Merc power.
And I'd quite like to live the lifestyle of Hector Riva (™ EuroMillions) but that ain't happening either...ETA - I do like the idea and believe he could do a great job for Williams.
I've never really rated Button, I thought he was kind of no mans land driver, not of the same quality as the other WDC on the grid and a bit lucky to get the right car at the right time. Having said that he didn't embarrass himself against Lewis or Fernando (so far).
He has a lot of good qualities - solid, consistent, rarely makes big mistakes, PR and media friendly, British, etc.
So I don't really understand why he has an axe hanging over his head year after year? When similar drivers like Bottas are touted as the next big thing?
He has a lot of good qualities - solid, consistent, rarely makes big mistakes, PR and media friendly, British, etc.
So I don't really understand why he has an axe hanging over his head year after year? When similar drivers like Bottas are touted as the next big thing?
Gaz. said:
Definitely 1 year- he wanted 3 years but Ron said no. This is polarised with Alonso only wanting one year but Mclaren insisted on a 2+1. Alonso does have a performance clause though so he can walk at the end of this year.
Really? Ron implied earlier in the year this was not the case, it was just 3 year deal no breaks or options? Then again that could have been Ron speak. I find it hard to believe they would let him go after 1 year. Plus where is he going to go to?!
VolvoT5 said:
I've never really rated Button, I thought he was kind of no mans land driver, not of the same quality as the other WDC on the grid and a bit lucky to get the right car at the right time. Having said that he didn't embarrass himself against Lewis or Fernando (so far).
He has a lot of good qualities - solid, consistent, rarely makes big mistakes, PR and media friendly, British, etc.
So I don't really understand why he has an axe hanging over his head year after year? When similar drivers like Bottas are touted as the next big thing?
Simple - he is proven and you know what you will get. Same with Kimi. With people like Bottas there is the potential they will go on to be the next "Lewis" or "Alonso" and so there is the potential to get the very best with a new young driver which you don't get with an older driver.He has a lot of good qualities - solid, consistent, rarely makes big mistakes, PR and media friendly, British, etc.
So I don't really understand why he has an axe hanging over his head year after year? When similar drivers like Bottas are touted as the next big thing?
NRS said:
Simple - he is proven and you know what you will get. Same with Kimi. With people like Bottas there is the potential they will go on to be the next "Lewis" or "Alonso" and so there is the potential to get the very best with a new young driver which you don't get with an older driver.
Exactly. But I think we have to look at whether Haas might offer a refuge to Kimi alongside Marcielo, or whether Haas may indeed pick up Button. I'm personally not sure that Steiner is in the mould of a 21st century team principal though, so who knows what he might do?
Whilst I do like JB, I cannot really see what value he will bring to Williams. They already have an old stager who's still pretty rapid. Surely they'd do better offering a berth to Wittman in return for discounted engines?
NRS said:
Simple - he is proven and you know what you will get. Same with Kimi. With people like Bottas there is the potential they will go on to be the next "Lewis" or "Alonso" and so there is the potential to get the very best with a new young driver which you don't get with an older driver.
I'm not convinced Bottas is the next Alonso or Lewis. Bottas might be the next Massa, Button or Raikkonen (although IMO it is questionable whether he is even that good).Having said I've never rated Button I would still be sad to see him go. I would love to see Jenson and Kimi have one last chance to shine.. Massa was written off a couple of years ago and is now doing well at Williams. Jenson to Williams and Kimi to Haas maybe?
Edited by VolvoT5 on Friday 24th July 12:12
DanielSan said:
Anyone going to Haas won't have a chence to shine next season, like every new tram they'll be miles off the pace and if they're lucky be reliable.
I think you are wrong as Haas are basically a Ferrari B team next year and the car will be 80% the same as a Ferrari with all the mechanical bits.They have a shortlist of drivers including Jean-Eric Vergne, Esteban Gutierrez and Nico Hulkenberg although Gene Haas has said today that he is not sure if he can attract Nico Hunkenberg to be his number 1 driver.I am sure they will have two pretty good drivers.From the start of the season they will be easily ahead of Manor,Sauber and probably McLaren and will be able to mix it with the middle of the grid.
DanielSan said:
Anyone going to Haas won't have a chence to shine next season, like every new tram they'll be miles off the pace and if they're lucky be reliable.
I disagree. They have in effect had unlimited wind tunnel time and near unlimited Ferrari help this year outside of the regs. Expect some bedding in - I expect track operations will be their initial weakness - but I expect them to be in the midfield.btcc123 said:
All the McLaren drivers have contracts to be at McLaren next season but only one has a contract to drive Alonso.If JB can get a competitive drive in 2016 away from McLaren he should go for it as I dont think he will drive next year.
Aston Martin will not come into F1 next year and rebrand anything as they have no money.As Mercedes have a small holding in Aston Martin they may put a AM badge on the Merc engine if they supply Red Ball.
So who's the lucky person that is driving Alonso next season? Probably going to be quicker than the poor sod who has to drive one of the cars... Aston Martin will not come into F1 next year and rebrand anything as they have no money.As Mercedes have a small holding in Aston Martin they may put a AM badge on the Merc engine if they supply Red Ball.
(thanks, I'm here all week...)Gaz. said:
Vaud said:
DanielSan said:
Anyone going to Haas won't have a chence to shine next season, like every new tram they'll be miles off the pace and if they're lucky be reliable.
I disagree. They have in effect had unlimited wind tunnel time and near unlimited Ferrari help this year outside of the regs. Expect some bedding in - I expect track operations will be their initial weakness - but I expect them to be in the midfield.The most successful I can think of was Jordan in 1991, who got points semi-regularly but still struggled.
The mighty Toyota, with some serious investment, unlimited testing and a two year implementation programme, scored 2 points in their first season
BAR, also not short of a penny and testing time, scored squat in their first year.
Gaz. said:
Muzzer79 said:
I can't think of one team in modern times who has come in their first season and been "regular top ten finishers"
The most successful I can think of was Jordan in 1991, who got points semi-regularly but still struggled.
The mighty Toyota, with some serious investment, unlimited testing and a two year implementation programme, scored 2 points in their first season
BAR, also not short of a penny and testing time, scored squat in their first year.
Honda & Toyota had to play by the same rules as everyone else at the time, Haas & Ferrari are not.The most successful I can think of was Jordan in 1991, who got points semi-regularly but still struggled.
The mighty Toyota, with some serious investment, unlimited testing and a two year implementation programme, scored 2 points in their first season
BAR, also not short of a penny and testing time, scored squat in their first year.
Even with unlimited wind tunnel time, if they turn up to the first race having had precisely 6 physical days on track in pre-season (which is all anyone will get, don't forget) with their brand spanking, never been run, not-even-an-evolution-of-last-year, new car and are midfield runners, then the rest of the teams behind them will have a lot of explaining to do.
And that's not even factoring in the reliability of the package to allow them finish in the top 10.
I'm predicting they'll be fighting Manor at best.
Guess we'll see!
Gaz. said:
Their car will be this year's Ferrari made in an American autoclave with 2016 aerodynamics gained from unlimited wind tunnel and CFD at Marranello.
If Ferrari ceased all development today and turned up next year where would you expect them (Ferrari) to finish in the first 4 races of 2016?
That's a very simplified view. The aero may well cause problems with the engine (not getting rid of heat) and so they have to turn the engine down. Or any other number of potential issues. Plus with a new team they don't have as much experience to draw on so will take longer with updates despite the extra testing time they have - see Newey for the extreme example of someone (and his team) knowing where to put their efforts to get the maximum benefit.If Ferrari ceased all development today and turned up next year where would you expect them (Ferrari) to finish in the first 4 races of 2016?
You're talking about Haas like they've never been on the infield of a paddock, let alone and F1 paddock, they've been racing in NASCAR since 2002. They will probably do quite well and would benefit from having a driver with a modicum of bringing a new car on.
Can't be any worse than this years Honda.....right?
Can't be any worse than this years Honda.....right?
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