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ash73 said:
Seems it wasn't Nico's call here. One more lap and he would have been on softs, and probably won the race. Lewis is so jammy.
Toto also gave the same explanation to the BBC, which caused EJ to go off on one again. He made it sound like the Soft tyres were not in their blankets, whereas they are probably just not flexible enough in the thinking - there is only one strategy. Come back Ross.
It does look like the FIAs decision to stop engineer input in determining the clutch bite point may randomise the starts from Spa onwards. Toto also made the point that had both Merc's launched properly, then it would probably have been a Merc 1-2 as usual, everything that took place after the launch was just a consequence of that initial failing.
glazbagun said:
Seb did have an almighty good start and was in an inferior car to Nico. And then, after romping off into the distance, got brought right back within reach again by the Safety car so had to do it again!
Inferior is a bit strong, at least when you look at conditions today. Gary C said:
majordad said:
Nico will be champ.
When ? Too close to call so far this year
Ros has the ability, but needs that something to get the breaks on his side.
ash73 said:
Seems it wasn't Nico's call here. One more lap and he would have been on softs, and probably won the race. Lewis is so jammy.
Don't know if you watched BBC or Sky Ash, but if you had the Sky transmission on you would have heard Rosberg tell his engineer he wanted primes because that's what Lewis was on. The engineer advised him the strategists believed 'softs' would be better. No ifs, no buts, the exchange was perfectly clear. rdjohn said:
It does look like the FIAs decision to stop engineer input in determining the clutch bite point may randomise the starts from Spa onwards. Toto also made the point that had both Merc's launched properly, then it would probably have been a Merc 1-2 as usual, everything that took place after the launch was just a consequence of that initial failing.
It looks like qualifying will be less important in the future with the more random nature of starts. I think Hulkenberg gained 5 places with his start yesterday as a result of a good start.ash73 said:
Seems it wasn't Nico's call here. One more lap and he would have been on softs, and probably won the race. Lewis is so jammy.
Yeap, he has all the luck - just like in Monaco... 
glazbagun said:
theAmerican said:
Can someone help me settle a wager here. Did Rosberg pass anyone on track after the 1st lap-1st corner pass?
I did wonder the same thing for a second, but he overtook at least one car- Kimi's limping Ferarri after the safety car went in.geeks said:
Scuffers said:
geeks said:
Few people seem to think the Ricciardo - Rosberg incident is on Ricciardo. Have to disagree, although he came from a fair way back I still think the move was on, he might have locked the brakes but he never left the track and made the corner, Rosberg can't just turn up on the racing line and claim it when he has just seen another driver dive for the inside like that, sloppy IMO.
you're misreading the situation.Yes, Ricciardo was a long way back, but, all he had to do was park his car on the exit, and the job was done.
Niko lost the entry to the corner (by not defending) and then had Ricciardo 'land' infront of him, his only option at this point is to use his better line/momentum to cut round the inside of Ricciardo, which he did.
the problem was then that Ricciardo got better traction (tyres) and would have just held off Niko to turn 2 (which he would have the inside line).
Niko knew this, so had to cut-off Ricciardo before he could get back alongside him, and what happened was he did not manage to do this, clipped Ricciardo's front wing, game over.
Rosberg talking to Sky F1 said:
"I assumed that it was my corner as I took the ideal line and he went straight on because he braked too late. But he still had his front wing there and didn't back out of it. But the FIA decided not to take any action so I guess no-one was at fault then."
remember, Ricciardo had track position into the corner (by parking himself on it), and Nico was in the process of cutting a tighter exit line and going back past him, there was no requirement for Nico to then drift left to the edge of the cct, the only reason to do this was to cut-off Ricciardo's ability to hold that side of the track till turn 2.
All this would have been just fine, BUT, Nico cut in front of Ricciardo before he was 100% clear ahead.
moanthebairns said:
coetzeeh said:
theAmerican said:
Can someone help me settle a wager here. Did Rosberg pass anyone on track after the 1st lap-1st corner pass?
yes, several back markers he lapped.NRS said:
I disagree - he already has had a few breaks on his side this year. The mess up with Hamilton's stupid pit stop in Monaco for example, or the terrible race yesterday. Last year he benefited from those mistakes. This year he has messed up and not benefited from Hamilton's mistakes. I can't see him coming back over the season when he has missed out on his chances to get ahead of Hamilton. His benefits last season were reliability and consistency in finishing. He hasn't done that this year, and since he won't get as many wins as Hamilton he's in trouble as a result.
It does seem like the universe is conspiring to give Rosberg the WDC and he keeps managing to punch himself in the face.KarlMac said:
NRS said:
I disagree - he already has had a few breaks on his side this year. The mess up with Hamilton's stupid pit stop in Monaco for example, or the terrible race yesterday. Last year he benefited from those mistakes. This year he has messed up and not benefited from Hamilton's mistakes. I can't see him coming back over the season when he has missed out on his chances to get ahead of Hamilton. His benefits last season were reliability and consistency in finishing. He hasn't done that this year, and since he won't get as many wins as Hamilton he's in trouble as a result.
It does seem like the universe is conspiring to give Rosberg the WDC and he keeps managing to punch himself in the face.
) was just outstanding.rdjohn said:
ash73 said:
Seems it wasn't Nico's call here. One more lap and he would have been on softs, and probably won the race. Lewis is so jammy.
Toto also gave the same explanation to the BBC, which caused EJ to go off on one again. He made it sound like the Soft tyres were not in their blankets, whereas they are probably just not flexible enough in the thinking - there is only one strategy. Come back Ross.
You can imagine the pit crew saying: OK, if that's what he wants, that's what he gets.
Derek Smith said:
It sounded like an excuse to me. The decision for options had already been made. That was the error. Wolff was suggesting that had they not made up their minds, when the safety car came out they would have had the options available. The question is on what basis was the decision made for primes. That was, it would appear, either down to or influenced by Rosberg.
You can imagine the pit crew saying: OK, if that's what he wants, that's what he gets.
I'd guess that when it comes down to it, the driver gets to choose. The pit can advise, but the driver surely has the final call.You can imagine the pit crew saying: OK, if that's what he wants, that's what he gets.
ash73 said:
VladD said:
I'd guess that when it comes down to it, the driver gets to choose. The pit can advise, but the driver surely has the final call.
Agree, which means Nico won Monaco on merit I wonder if Nico called for primes and after a bit of discussion the team decided on a lap where they would switch over to softs; just 1 lap after the VSC. Either that or they are making excuses. Daft for Nico to call for them in the first place, imo.
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