****The Official Hungarian Grand Prix thread 2015****

[Hungrymc]

Mr_Thyroid said:

Oh come on! There was no squeeze by Ricciardo - Lewis slid wide into him. Ricciardo has every right to assume that Hamilton will be able to maintain control of his car.

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And did Nico have a right to assume that DR would keep control of his car when it went sailing up the inside and past the apex which would have wiped Nico out if he hadn't recognised DR being out of control and allowed room .... Which is what I'm saying DR didn't do in the Lewis incident.

Once again, I'm not actually blaming DR for the Lewis incident, watch it again and you'll see that DR had so much more front end than Lewis that by going down the outside and turning in, Lewis had no where to go, he was braking as hard as he could and trying to get turned - but from the moment he started braking he was never going to be able to hold a tight enough line if DR turned in without leaving room. So from 75m before the corner with DR on the outside, not much more Lewis could have done.

That isn't blaming DR by the way, I thnk the penalty was maybe a little bit harsh - but not drastically so. I want to see racing and of course it's always a fine line in these cars.

[Hungrymc]

VladD said:

ash73 said:

VladD said:

I'd guess that when it comes down to it, the driver gets to choose. The pit can advise, but the driver surely has the final call.

Agree, which means Nico won Monaco on merit

I wonder if Nico called for primes and after a bit of discussion the team decided on a lap where they would switch over to softs; just 1 lap after the VSC. Either that or they are making excuses. Daft for Nico to call for them in the first place, imo.

Yes, daft in Hungary and daft in Monaco. Lewis and Nico spend too much time worrying about what the other one is doing rather than just driving their own optimal race.

Difficult one. I can't help thinking that the team can see everything, all the other cars track positions, pace and tyre strategy. The drivers only know which tyre feels right. If teams let drivers make strategy decisions when the driver has only 10% of the info that the teams have I think that would be crazy. I'd expect some discussion but track position is critical and so the teams hold the critical data.

Monaco was a massive mistake by the team as they got the critical information about cars track positions wrong - Lewis couldn't know this data.
Hungary was a massive mistake in hindsight due to how track position played out with safety cars etc. the only thing Nico can contribute to the discussion is which tyre he feels more comfortable on.

I can't blame either driver.

[deadslow]

London424 said:

johnfm said:

ash73 said:

johnfm said:

This rubbish about 'bullying' or 'taking liberties' is poppycock.

If you race with the same people regularly you learn who you can take liberties with, and who you can't. And it constantly evolves as incidents happen from time to time. For example I would say Bottas is an easy touch wheel to wheel, Danny isn't.

That's a fair view. Now I see what you mean.

Pretty clear that Rosberg has no qualms with driving into people (first LH last year and Ricciardo last week).

I guess the irony is he can't complain too loudly about what Ric did, as he did exactly the same to Lewis last year. Can't have it both ways.

That's right, the incidents were almost identical, except when LH is not involved the baying crowd/lynch mob don't turn up

[angrymoby]

ash73 said:

It was mentioned in the commentary last week Lewis drove too slowly under the VSC. They have a ghost car which shows where they will come out but presumably it only updates after each sector.

so he drove 'too slow' under VSC & THEY still bought him in?

PS they update after they pass a marshal post (so 20 odd times a lap at Monaco)

[Hungrymc]

ash73 said:

Hungrymc said:

Monaco was a massive mistake by the team as they got the critical information about cars track positions wrong - Lewis couldn't know this data.

It was mentioned in the commentary last week Lewis drove too slowly under the VSC. They have a ghost car which shows where they will come out but presumably it only updates after each sector.

maybe we just have to agree to differ - but I'm expecting the man sat infront of the computers simulating various scenario and all of the live timing data to be able to determine how the pits stop will impact track position more than the man in the car who has a fraction of the info.

I'd agree the driver has to try and keep the Tyres and brakes live during VSC and SC etc.