Will McLaren survive their Honda contract?
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We need to look at last season as an indicator to where MCLAREN are as a team, rather than pinpoint the blame solely on honda, they had the Mercedes engine last season, and were still way off the pace.
People are delusional to think even if they did have an engine on par with the mercs, that they'd be anywhere near them on track this season.
There needs to be a big change to get back to the front, that change won't happen overnight, so I can imagine it won't be during both button/Alonso's time there, which Fernando in particular is starting to realise.
replacing Ron with Ross Brawn would be a starting point imo.
People are delusional to think even if they did have an engine on par with the mercs, that they'd be anywhere near them on track this season.
There needs to be a big change to get back to the front, that change won't happen overnight, so I can imagine it won't be during both button/Alonso's time there, which Fernando in particular is starting to realise.
replacing Ron with Ross Brawn would be a starting point imo.
Leroy902 said:
We need to look at last season as an indicator to where MCLAREN are as a team, rather than pinpoint the blame solely on honda, they had the Mercedes engine last season, and were still way off the pace.
People are delusional to think even if they did have an engine on par with the mercs, that they'd be anywhere near them on track this season.
There needs to be a big change to get back to the front, that change won't happen overnight, so I can imagine it won't be during both button/Alonso's time there, which Fernando in particular is starting to realise.
replacing Ron with Ross Brawn would be a starting point imo.
It is not really possible to compare the McLaren of 2014 with that of 2015. There have been many changes, some of them very big according to many reports earlier in the year. But without really having the information about power and its deployment anything in relation to the performance is guess work and speculation. Some of the helicopter shots yesterday showed how other cars could get away from the McLarens after corners, but around them there was very little discernible difference and at times the McLaren could close up on the longer curves. Alonso said how the time deficit to the Mercedes was almost all on the straights and maybe with more downforce there wouldn't be any in the corners?People are delusional to think even if they did have an engine on par with the mercs, that they'd be anywhere near them on track this season.
There needs to be a big change to get back to the front, that change won't happen overnight, so I can imagine it won't be during both button/Alonso's time there, which Fernando in particular is starting to realise.
replacing Ron with Ross Brawn would be a starting point imo.
Lots of work to do though for both Honda and McLaren.
Leroy902 said:
There needs to be a big change to get back to the front, that change won't happen overnight, so I can imagine it won't be during both button/Alonso's time there, which Fernando in particular is starting to realise.
That was obvious to just about the world and his dog...........and Alonso had little other option, and it can hardly be a surprise to him. If it is, he's more stupid than I thought. It's also why I didn't understand JB bothering to continue at the end of last year - especially as RD didn't want him....he of all people must have seen the writing on the wall having been at Macca for a few years already, and having the most recent experience of Honda as well. I guess he was content to see out his F1 career trundling around at the back of the grid.Smollet said:
I can't help thinking it won't last into 2017 unless there's a major upturn next year. We might see a McLaren Renault if things go really pear shaped as I can't see MB supplying them with their commitments elsewhere and a McLaren Ferrari? 
There won't be a McLaren-Renault. If Renault stay in F1 next year it will be as a Renault owned team (either Lotus or Toro Rosso). They aren't going to supply any teams with customer engines. RYH64E said:
I thought that Renault had a pretty good record as a works team, they were usually there or there abouts and won a couple of WCCs in the 2000s
As a French race team, I don't think so https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_in_Formula...The wins in the Noughties were Renault engines powering Toleman, Beneton, Flabio influenced outfits based at Enstone and not France.
Vaud said:
kambites said:
Aside from Ferrari, what was the last team which was actually run by a major car manufacturer that managed to win a championship?
Renault 2005/2006?Perhaps the question I meant to ask was "what was the last team set up from scratch by an automotive manufacturer (as opposed to bought in) to win a world championship?"
Edited by kambites on Monday 7th September 20:35
ralphrj said:
Smollet said:
I can't help thinking it won't last into 2017 unless there's a major upturn next year. We might see a McLaren Renault if things go really pear shaped as I can't see MB supplying them with their commitments elsewhere and a McLaren Ferrari?
There won't be a McLaren-Renault. If Renault stay in F1 next year it will be as a Renault owned team (either Lotus or Toro Rosso). They aren't going to supply any teams with customer engines. rdjohn said:
RYH64E said:
I thought that Renault had a pretty good record as a works team, they were usually there or there abouts and won a couple of WCCs in the 2000s
As a French race team, I don't think so https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_in_Formula...The wins in the Noughties were Renault engines powering Toleman, Beneton, Flabio influenced outfits based at Enstone and not France.
Does anyone else think that Dennis is a significant part of the problem?
I've read the SKY article and lots of comments are stating that Boullier should be replaced......... but personally I get the impression Boullier's power within the team is limited, I suspect he is nothing more than Ron's PA.
If they really are going to be losing £25 mill in sponsorship and all that TV money then they really are in trouble. Mclaren are spending money like the big boys but not getting the results. First they need to aim to be a mid-field team again before they can get to the top.
I've read the SKY article and lots of comments are stating that Boullier should be replaced......... but personally I get the impression Boullier's power within the team is limited, I suspect he is nothing more than Ron's PA.
If they really are going to be losing £25 mill in sponsorship and all that TV money then they really are in trouble. Mclaren are spending money like the big boys but not getting the results. First they need to aim to be a mid-field team again before they can get to the top.
rdjohn said:
RYH64E said:
In the same way that the current Mercedes is actually a Tyrrell-Honda-Brawn with an Ilmor engine?
Not quite, the Renault engine building facility has always been entirely Renault's effort, even when they were called Monchrome. The chassis, rarely have.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff