Will McLaren survive their Honda contract?
Discussion
road hog said:
what about the Mclaren Peugeot , pairing ,that didnt go to well either.. ??
I've used this yardstick many times, Brundles tear gas canister at Silverstone aside, it became a regular points scorer at the end of the year at a time when points were a little harder to come by. The Honda is a complete lemon by comparison.How they'll manage to keep either driver next year is a mystery, sign up for another year of misery? or do something else?
Since winter testing I've been hoping that Honda know what they are doing and they just want to get everything working 100% before thy unleash the power they are promising and leave us all open-mouthed.
I now firmly beleive they are full of s
t and have no idea how to make it go faster.
I think they will manage to hit mid field next year and then drop it like a hot brick in 2017, just like last time.
I now firmly beleive they are full of s
t and have no idea how to make it go faster. I think they will manage to hit mid field next year and then drop it like a hot brick in 2017, just like last time.
sirtyro said:
From what I've heard from people I know at Mclaren, they will have a title sponsor soon.
They will stay with Honda as both teams need to save face. It's just not happening quickly enough for us fans. If it did go really bad with Honda then I think they will build their own engine. Mclaren Automotive is doing quite well and it would be a good platform to showcase what they can do.
I imagine Ron must be upset on one side that he isn't winning, but this performance is not doing his case in trying to buy out his Arab friends from Mclaren Group any harm at all
The chances of Mclaren building their own F1 engine,let alone a remotely competetive unit from scratch, are IMO zero.They will stay with Honda as both teams need to save face. It's just not happening quickly enough for us fans. If it did go really bad with Honda then I think they will build their own engine. Mclaren Automotive is doing quite well and it would be a good platform to showcase what they can do.
I imagine Ron must be upset on one side that he isn't winning, but this performance is not doing his case in trying to buy out his Arab friends from Mclaren Group any harm at all
If the mighty Honda, with all their years of motorsport experience not to mention squads of engineers and massive financial resources are struggling to make the grade ATM ,what chance does a comparatively tiny outfit have?
Although a nice idea for the fans it is a total non- starter in the harsh realities of the F1 world.
As a Mclaren fan I would love to be proved wrong!
Auntieroll said:
If the mighty Honda, with all their years of motorsport experience not to mention squads of engineers and massive financial resources are struggling to make the grade ATM ,what chance does a comparatively tiny outfit have?
I rather think that they could stand a better chance as they are able to think more laterally, creatively and act quicker than large global corporate structures allow.The Mercedes F1 team is run as an F1 team and allowed autonomy by the parent company. Sure they have money but Honda aren't exactly paupers.
I think it entirely feasible for McLaren to develop their own engine, they've done it for their road cars after all - including a complex hi-tech Hybrid.
StevieBee said:
I rather think that they could stand a better chance as they are able to think more laterally, creatively and act quicker than large global corporate structures allow.
The Mercedes F1 team is run as an F1 team and allowed autonomy by the parent company. Sure they have money but Honda aren't exactly paupers.
I think it entirely feasible for McLaren to develop their own engine, they've done it for their road cars after all - including a complex hi-tech Hybrid.
What the Ricardo engine originally designed for a different manufactures race car?The Mercedes F1 team is run as an F1 team and allowed autonomy by the parent company. Sure they have money but Honda aren't exactly paupers.
I think it entirely feasible for McLaren to develop their own engine, they've done it for their road cars after all - including a complex hi-tech Hybrid.
gibbon said:
What the Ricardo engine originally designed for a different manufactures race car?
Don't know!. Fact is that there's a McLaren engineered unit in the back of the P1 that's far from simple so they have the wherewithal either directly or subcontracted or whatever to create a power unit themselves. StevieBee said:
Don't know!. Fact is that there's a McLaren engineered unit in the back of the P1 that's far from simple so they have the wherewithal either directly or subcontracted or whatever to create a power unit themselves.
Honda can build decent road engines too.There are several orders of magnitude in complexity between the engine you're referring to, and the challenge of putting together a competitive F1 engine under the current regs.
mft said:
Honda can build decent road engines too.
There are several orders of magnitude in complexity between the engine you're referring to, and the challenge of putting together a competitive F1 engine under the current regs.
Don't forget the timescale involved, the design itself is not so much of a stumbling block,that part could be subbed out to an experienced third party, the development process is however another story,Mercedes have done an outstanding job, proven by the length of time that their rivals are taking to catch them up, I still maintain that a greenhorn outfit would stand no chance of even rivaling, let alone doing any betterThere are several orders of magnitude in complexity between the engine you're referring to, and the challenge of putting together a competitive F1 engine under the current regs.
than Honda, Renault or Ferrari are .
markcoznottz said:
Never mind that, the 2013-2014 cars were very average, both with the best engines available, doesn't exactly inspire long term confidence in the team to overcome current issues.
I agree, lots of people seem to be saying ti's a great chassis just waiting for the engine to deliver, it must be easy for the chassis to feel good when you are way down on power and as you say they haven't done anything special in the last few years. Edited by cjm on Tuesday 25th August 10:34
cjm said:
I agree, lots of people seem to be saying ti's a great chassis just waiting for the engine to deliver, it must be easy for the chassis to feel good when you are way down on power and as you say they haven't done anything special in the last few years.
Actually no, it needs the downforce (it was designed for) in order to make it work as it was designed, at the moment apparently (according to Jenson) they simply aren't able to apply the downforce without dramatically compromising speed.Edited by cjm on Tuesday 25th August 10:34
Logie said:
Seems like its more to do with the hybrid stuff rather then the engine power, it seems that's where Merc has a big advantage as well sa the other stuff
It certainly does. We watched the Belgium race from the hill above the left hander after Rivage, and on the straight that followed down to Pouhon, the Mclaren's were continually harvesting energy, with the rear light flashing.WTF...
Nobody else was doing it, and why would you harvest energy on a straight, surely you want all of it to accelerate?
Let's not forget, F1 for McLaren is pretty much marketing. It's not their core business, well not the racing part. It's all the tech they supply to all the other teams.
As for the results, yep it's a pitty, but happens to all teams. Look how bad Ferrari did for so many years. Williams ruled once, then didn't and were nowhere.
As for the results, yep it's a pitty, but happens to all teams. Look how bad Ferrari did for so many years. Williams ruled once, then didn't and were nowhere.
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