Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016

[rohrl]

kambites said:

So basically, they're probably going to end up running next year with this year's wonderful Renault engine?

[HustleRussell]

HustleRussell on 11th Sept said:

In any case I wouldn't consider Red Bull running a different engine next year to be a forgone conclusion

I called it

[Mark-C]

DanielSan said:

Emeye said:

He was supposed to be busy designing super racing yachts or summat, but I think he got dragged back to be more involved in the F1 team as they were struggling last year.

Just reading the Loeb Dakar story - that car and team is all Red Bull branded, but not sure who designs the car.

Along with this and the VW WRC Polo, Red Bull have their fingers in almost every motorsport pie!

Do they sponsor anyone in Le mans?

There's a couple of RB drivers in WEC, including Webber.

And they sponsored a Ferrari 430 in the GT class a few years back driven by a certain A. Newey ...

[Vaud]

If RB exits, where would Adrian go?

McLaren in exchange for a shed load of equity (not that he wants for money)? Or gracefully exit?

[Doink]

I'm sure Ferrari and merc would start a bidding war for his services

[Doink]

Reports today suggest Torro Rosso have secured Ferrari engines albeit 2015 spec, still no news on RB who reckon they're still in talks with Ferrari and Merc, reports yesterday suggested Horner had gone above Totto Wolff saying the supply of Merc engines wasn't his decision to make

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/205637/ferrari-new-...

[Vaud]

Doink said:

Reports today suggest Torro Rosso have secured Ferrari engines albeit 2015 spec, still no news on RB who reckon they're still in talks with Ferrari and Merc, reports yesterday suggested Horner had gone above Totto Wolff saying the supply of Merc engines wasn't his decision to make

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/205637/ferrari-new-...

I don't think anyone has disputed that it would only be a Toto decision - it would always be a Mercedes board decision.

[HustleRussell]

Vaud said:

If RB exits, where would Adrian go?

McLaren in exchange for a shed load of equity (not that he wants for money)? Or gracefully exit?

As I understand it, Adrian has been primarily designing yachts since the beginning of last year.

[Doink]

Vaud said:

Doink said:

Reports today suggest Torro Rosso have secured Ferrari engines albeit 2015 spec, still no news on RB who reckon they're still in talks with Ferrari and Merc, reports yesterday suggested Horner had gone above Totto Wolff saying the supply of Merc engines wasn't his decision to make

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/205637/ferrari-new-...

I don't think anyone has disputed that it would only be a Toto decision - it would always be a Mercedes board decision.

True enough but I thought the board HAD already made their decision....

http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120704

[Vaud]

Doink said:

True enough but I thought the board HAD already made their decision....

http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120704

Decisions can be reversed.

Personally I don't think they will do it.

My guess:
Torro Rosso stay with the 2015 engine and get put up for sale
Red Bull exit

[RichB]

Shut the door on the way out...

[patmahe]

You really couldn't make this up could you, one of the most successful teams in recent history shoots itself in the foot by destroying relationship with current engine supplier and then announces they won't use their engines next year BEFORE securing a supply from elsewhere. Its bizzare, the fact that they have been so public in their criticism means no-one wants to work with them anymore. I mean if Mercedes gave them engines and they weren't competitive they'd whinge about that, if they were winning, that really wouldn't suit Mercedes. And I don't blame Ferrari for their reluctance either for the same reason.

The staggering thing is Red Bull have painted themselves into this corner when there was no need, they have mis-managed the situation so badly that their only option may soon be to leave F1 in order to try to save face. The should have stayed quiet, courted Mercedes and Ferrari, done a deal with one of them, then announced they'd be switching engines in 2016 and thank Renault for their years of loyal service and championship winning engines.

[FourWheelDrift]

Do we know who the incompetent fool was yet, Horner, Marko or was it Mateschitz himself?

[HTP99]

HustleRussell said:

Vaud said:

If RB exits, where would Adrian go?

McLaren in exchange for a shed load of equity (not that he wants for money)? Or gracefully exit?

As I understand it, Adrian has been primarily designing yachts since the beginning of last year.

I though he had effectively left RB and was just working as a consultant for them.

[Vaud]

I think he got pulled back in mid season...

http://planetf1.com/news/horner-red-bull-will-cope...

"Adrian Newey told me: 'Christian, we need an answer and soon. I know what happens with the front and the rear parts of the car. But we need to know what will happen in between.'

[RYH64E]

patmahe said:

You really couldn't make this up could you, one of the most successful teams in recent history shoots itself in the foot by destroying relationship with current engine supplier and then announces they won't use their engines next year BEFORE securing a supply from elsewhere. Its bizzare, the fact that they have been so public in their criticism means no-one wants to work with them anymore. I mean if Mercedes gave them engines and they weren't competitive they'd whinge about that, if they were winning, that really wouldn't suit Mercedes. And I don't blame Ferrari for their reluctance either for the same reason.

The staggering thing is Red Bull have painted themselves into this corner when there was no need, they have mis-managed the situation so badly that their only option may soon be to leave F1 in order to try to save face. The should have stayed quiet, courted Mercedes and Ferrari, done a deal with one of them, then announced they'd be switching engines in 2016 and thank Renault for their years of loyal service and championship winning engines.

I think Mateschitz has lost interest in the new F1 (as has Newey), and he's in a position to do or not do exactly as he pleases. I doubt he cares one way or another if Red Bull run Renault engines, Ferrari engines or leave F1 entirely.

[Doink]

I wonder if DM has got that disillusioned that he has or is trying to manufacture a way out of F1 without paying that huge penalty to Bernie by painting themselves into a situation where they have no engine, maybe they known full well no one will supply them a 2016 engine hence hinging their entire existence on that one point, so he's willing to throw everything away just because of a 2015 spec Ferrari which is still years ahead of the Renault, a recent article from horner suggests the Renault is 3 years behind so by my maths the Ferrari is 2 years ahead?

[Soul Reaver]

Isnt it amazing how much money you can from one product that doesn't actually taste that nice!

[HTP99]

Soul Reaver said:

Isnt it amazing how much money you can from one product that doesn't actually taste that nice!

I've always been astounded how that singular and relatively new; when compared to Coca Cola or Pepsi for example, product can generate so much money, it is fking horrible too.

[Composite Guru]

HTP99 said:

Soul Reaver said:

Isnt it amazing how much money you can from one product that doesn't actually taste that nice!

I've always been astounded how that singular and relatively new; when compared to Coca Cola or Pepsi for example, product can generate so much money, it is fking horrible too.

Clearly not that horrible by the amount of cash they have.