Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016
Discussion
Surely RB knew Merc and Ferrari were likely to say no to an engine deal considering how strong the rest of the team is. I wonder if they have intended to pull out this whole time and are simply blowing all this smoke to make it seem like they were forced out instead of deciding to just walk.
Leithen said:
It would be called whatever the "money" wanted it to be called. He'd have to find a source from somewhere.
Why? Red Bull are looking at a $500M liability if they pull out.Gifting the team + $50M running costs if Horner takes on the liabilities could work. Call it Arden/Horner until he gets a sponsor. He could raise a loan and I'm sure Bernie would lend him money at a favourable rate (to Bernie)
Leithen said:
Doink said:
suffolk009 said:
Oh blimey. Just heard in commentary that Horner might "do a Brawn" and take over Red Bull.
Imagine that; Horner GP.
Nah, it would be Arden surely?Imagine that; Horner GP.
Maybe just maybe Horner is willing and quite happy to race with a 2015 engine knowing its still years ahead of a Renault, DM not so but while DM owns the team then horner has to do and say as he's told!
Doink said:
Source of what......money? Its obvious, it would come from red bull, this way DM saves face and actually carries out his threat and leaves, Horner buys the team but retains red bull as the title sponsor i.e. Arden redbull, everything and everyone still stays the same.
Maybe just maybe Horner is willing and quite happy to race with a 2015 engine knowing its still years ahead of a Renault, DM not so but while DM owns the team then horner has to do and say as he's told!
It could actually work.Maybe just maybe Horner is willing and quite happy to race with a 2015 engine knowing its still years ahead of a Renault, DM not so but while DM owns the team then horner has to do and say as he's told!
Didn't Brawn get the Honda team for £1, and the running costs of the team paid for a year.
Given the prize money RB are due, Ginger Winge F1 or Yeah/No Racing would have a budget, DM could get out of F1 without any fines to Bernie. Heck Bernie might even chuck in some money to keep the team on the grid.
If DM has lost all interest in F1, then he'll be looking for the cheapest and quickest way out.
Given the prize money RB are due, Ginger Winge F1 or Yeah/No Racing would have a budget, DM could get out of F1 without any fines to Bernie. Heck Bernie might even chuck in some money to keep the team on the grid.
If DM has lost all interest in F1, then he'll be looking for the cheapest and quickest way out.
Vaud said:
Doink said:
Source of what......money? Its obvious, it would come from red bull, this way DM saves face and actually carries out his threat and leaves, Horner buys the team but retains red bull as the title sponsor i.e. Arden redbull, everything and everyone still stays the same.
Maybe just maybe Horner is willing and quite happy to race with a 2015 engine knowing its still years ahead of a Renault, DM not so but while DM owns the team then horner has to do and say as he's told!
It could actually work.Maybe just maybe Horner is willing and quite happy to race with a 2015 engine knowing its still years ahead of a Renault, DM not so but while DM owns the team then horner has to do and say as he's told!
As I type its being reported that RBR are to open talks with Renault, OK its in the mirror and its probably stating the obvious but it could be possible.
Vaud said:
Why? Red Bull are looking at a $500M liability if they pull out.
Gifting the team + $50M running costs if Horner takes on the liabilities could work. Call it Arden/Horner until he gets a sponsor. He could raise a loan and I'm sure Bernie would lend him money at a favourable rate (to Bernie)
So the source of the money is DM and he either decides whether he wants the RB brand to be associated or not. Honda decided not with Brawn, but DM might think differently.Gifting the team + $50M running costs if Horner takes on the liabilities could work. Call it Arden/Horner until he gets a sponsor. He could raise a loan and I'm sure Bernie would lend him money at a favourable rate (to Bernie)
If DM decides he's out, the only option remaining for Horner is Ecclescake behind the scenes keeping the team in the game, pulling whatever strings are required. Not to be discounted given their close relationship.
But all that depends on how seriously pissed off DM is and whether he wants to play with his toy elsewhere - team personnel et all. The idea that he might bid for the whole thing isn't that far fetched - but what he then does with it if he succeeds is anyone's guess.
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rohrl said:
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Puddenchucker said:
KarlMac said:
Shirely the only options now are cap in hand to Renault or leave?
Autosport are reporting that they are now back talking to Renault.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121233
Awwwwkward.
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