Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016
Discussion
asjoseph said:
... it's true the old gal, Mrs. Renault, she's picked up a little weight; carrying a little extra cargo in her tail section. It's true, she's not the prettiest gal in F1, at the present moment. But, that doesn't mean you stop bouncing on the mattress with the gal.
Now, does it?
How selfish and mean spirited, how two-faced and immature, and in such sorry etiquette would it be were the good Mr. Horner, bouncing on the mattress with her a decade, abruptly turn 180 degrees about, shooting his mouth off, dissing off the old gal to his chums, whining and complaining, embarrassing her to everybody in the sweaty, stinky F1 locker room, like an underprivileged teen-aged sophomore.
Bad form, isn't it? Real gentlemen don't do that. Do they?
No two ways about it, should Red Bull wind up with nothing else to do with their hands but stroke themselves, high and dry without power unit for 2016, blame rests solely upon one person, and one person, alone: Mr. Christian Horner.
Directly and indirectly, Red Bull's F1 effort supports, minimum, 20 thousand high-power money jobs, on UK soil. But for no good reason than fumbling his relationship with Mrs. Renault, should those jobs evanesce, all fingers point to one guy: Mr. Christian Horner -- Samuel, '88 AW11 4agze.
Surely there's got to be an easier way to say what you've just said?Now, does it?
How selfish and mean spirited, how two-faced and immature, and in such sorry etiquette would it be were the good Mr. Horner, bouncing on the mattress with her a decade, abruptly turn 180 degrees about, shooting his mouth off, dissing off the old gal to his chums, whining and complaining, embarrassing her to everybody in the sweaty, stinky F1 locker room, like an underprivileged teen-aged sophomore.
Bad form, isn't it? Real gentlemen don't do that. Do they?
No two ways about it, should Red Bull wind up with nothing else to do with their hands but stroke themselves, high and dry without power unit for 2016, blame rests solely upon one person, and one person, alone: Mr. Christian Horner.
Directly and indirectly, Red Bull's F1 effort supports, minimum, 20 thousand high-power money jobs, on UK soil. But for no good reason than fumbling his relationship with Mrs. Renault, should those jobs evanesce, all fingers point to one guy: Mr. Christian Horner -- Samuel, '88 AW11 4agze.
Edited by asjoseph on Friday 9th October 18:40
asjoseph said:
... it's true the old gal, Mrs. Renault, she's picked up a little weight; carrying a little extra cargo in her tail section. It's true, she's not the prettiest gal in F1, at the present moment. But, that doesn't mean you stop bouncing on the mattress with the gal.
Now, does it?
How selfish and mean spirited, how two-faced and immature, and in such sorry etiquette would it be were the good Mr. Horner, bouncing on the mattress with her a decade, abruptly turn 180 degrees about, shooting his mouth off, dissing off the old gal to his chums, whining and complaining, embarrassing her to everybody in the sweaty, stinky F1 locker room, like an underprivileged teen-aged sophomore.
Bad form, isn't it? Real gentlemen don't do that. Do they?
No two ways about it, should Red Bull wind up with nothing else to do with their hands but stroke themselves, high and dry without power unit for 2016, blame rests solely upon one person, and one person, alone: Mr. Christian Horner.
Directly and indirectly, Red Bull's F1 effort supports, minimum, 20 thousand high-power money jobs, on UK soil. But for no good reason than fumbling his relationship with Mrs. Renault, should those jobs evanesce, all fingers point to one guy: Mr. Christian Horner -- Samuel, '88 AW11 4agze.
Well done, you've won the wNow, does it?
How selfish and mean spirited, how two-faced and immature, and in such sorry etiquette would it be were the good Mr. Horner, bouncing on the mattress with her a decade, abruptly turn 180 degrees about, shooting his mouth off, dissing off the old gal to his chums, whining and complaining, embarrassing her to everybody in the sweaty, stinky F1 locker room, like an underprivileged teen-aged sophomore.
Bad form, isn't it? Real gentlemen don't do that. Do they?
No two ways about it, should Red Bull wind up with nothing else to do with their hands but stroke themselves, high and dry without power unit for 2016, blame rests solely upon one person, and one person, alone: Mr. Christian Horner.
Directly and indirectly, Red Bull's F1 effort supports, minimum, 20 thousand high-power money jobs, on UK soil. But for no good reason than fumbling his relationship with Mrs. Renault, should those jobs evanesce, all fingers point to one guy: Mr. Christian Horner -- Samuel, '88 AW11 4agze.
Edited by asjoseph on Friday 9th October 18:40
ker Of The Week award!
rohrl said:
asjoseph said:
rohrl said:
You don't need a signature on this site, we can all see your username next to your post.
... take it easy; take your your blood pressure medicine; alleviate stress when possible; try not to have an aneurysm -- Samuel, '88 AW11 4agze. t, but now I understand that you are a tt.You have to laugh, on the verge of a possible exit they still find the energy for one last pop...
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/10022886/re...
...'It seems like Ferrari and Mercedes are the ones to determine whether Red Bull and Toro Rosso will stay at the F1,'...
I'm sorry but when force India and sauber claimed they where being forced out of F1 horner suggested it wasn't up to his team to give the poorer teams money but rather that they should negotiate better terms with Bernie!
Not nice now the boots on the other boot is it, bet sauber and force India are really upset
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/10022886/re...
...'It seems like Ferrari and Mercedes are the ones to determine whether Red Bull and Toro Rosso will stay at the F1,'...
I'm sorry but when force India and sauber claimed they where being forced out of F1 horner suggested it wasn't up to his team to give the poorer teams money but rather that they should negotiate better terms with Bernie!
Not nice now the boots on the other boot is it, bet sauber and force India are really upset
Vaud said:
I'm just amazed that he posts up his IQ next to it.
This made me scrunch my eyes up and "belly laff".-Stephen C. Arbel, '03 CB1N F4R
(p.s. agree that CH is taking too much flak and sort of expected he might buy out the team, although he's apparently only worth $7.5m according to some gossip rag)
Edited by scarble on Friday 9th October 19:48
Here's a great thought. Not mine, but a friend's.
1/ Ferrari and Merc are acting together.
2/ They have refused to allow RB to use their engines.
3/ They were aware of threats from various RB officials that if they didn't get their way, they'd leave F1.
4/ Merc and Ferrari were not happy with the way RB dominated the sport.
5/ RB are between a rock and another rock. If they stay, they'll be a backmarker for a couple of seasons, until the new formula comes on line. RB does not want that.
6/ RB are between a rock and another rock. If they leave then they will leave the formula to be dominated by Ferrari and Merc, with the other teams picking up the pieces.
7/ What's not to like, from a Merc and Ferrari pov?
I'd love it to be true, in the sense of the two teams getting one over RB. I'm not sure I believe it, even if it was true.
1/ Ferrari and Merc are acting together.
2/ They have refused to allow RB to use their engines.
3/ They were aware of threats from various RB officials that if they didn't get their way, they'd leave F1.
4/ Merc and Ferrari were not happy with the way RB dominated the sport.
5/ RB are between a rock and another rock. If they stay, they'll be a backmarker for a couple of seasons, until the new formula comes on line. RB does not want that.
6/ RB are between a rock and another rock. If they leave then they will leave the formula to be dominated by Ferrari and Merc, with the other teams picking up the pieces.
7/ What's not to like, from a Merc and Ferrari pov?
I'd love it to be true, in the sense of the two teams getting one over RB. I'm not sure I believe it, even if it was true.
How about this:
RB come to a deal with Bernie. RB is sold to Horner for nominal fee, no penalty but he signs up for 5 years (up to the 2020 new engine regs). RB kick some cash and assume that some sponsors stay.
Renault provide factory engine (but maybe a few months lag on spec, but not a full year) for 2016 only. Gives some breathing room. Maybe Honda in 2017.
Toro Rosso stay (funded by RB) as the B team with n-1 Ferrari engines (something they could provide).
Bernie keeps the full grid. We "gain" an independent. I quite like Horner, he was a bit ridiculed when he joined but he has held his own. I don't think this crisis is entirely of his making.
And then the door is open for RB to re-acquire as the new engine regs settle down towards 2020 and everyone has forgotten this.
RB come to a deal with Bernie. RB is sold to Horner for nominal fee, no penalty but he signs up for 5 years (up to the 2020 new engine regs). RB kick some cash and assume that some sponsors stay.
Renault provide factory engine (but maybe a few months lag on spec, but not a full year) for 2016 only. Gives some breathing room. Maybe Honda in 2017.
Toro Rosso stay (funded by RB) as the B team with n-1 Ferrari engines (something they could provide).
Bernie keeps the full grid. We "gain" an independent. I quite like Horner, he was a bit ridiculed when he joined but he has held his own. I don't think this crisis is entirely of his making.
And then the door is open for RB to re-acquire as the new engine regs settle down towards 2020 and everyone has forgotten this.
Vaud said:
How about this:
RB come to a deal with Bernie. RB is sold to Horner for nominal fee, no penalty but he signs up for 5 years (up to the 2020 new engine regs). RB kick some cash and assume that some sponsors stay.
Renault provide factory engine (but maybe a few months lag on spec, but not a full year) for 2016 only. Gives some breathing room. Maybe Honda in 2017.
Toro Rosso stay (funded by RB) as the B team with n-1 Ferrari engines (something they could provide).
Bernie keeps the full grid. We "gain" an independent. I quite like Horner, he was a bit ridiculed when he joined but he has held his own. I don't think this crisis is entirely of his making.
And then the door is open for RB to re-acquire as the new engine regs settle down towards 2020 and everyone has forgotten this.
I'm not sure that Ecclestone will be in a position to dictate the formula in 2020. Indeed, 2016's looking a bit iffy. Any action now will have no long term agreement. RB come to a deal with Bernie. RB is sold to Horner for nominal fee, no penalty but he signs up for 5 years (up to the 2020 new engine regs). RB kick some cash and assume that some sponsors stay.
Renault provide factory engine (but maybe a few months lag on spec, but not a full year) for 2016 only. Gives some breathing room. Maybe Honda in 2017.
Toro Rosso stay (funded by RB) as the B team with n-1 Ferrari engines (something they could provide).
Bernie keeps the full grid. We "gain" an independent. I quite like Horner, he was a bit ridiculed when he joined but he has held his own. I don't think this crisis is entirely of his making.
And then the door is open for RB to re-acquire as the new engine regs settle down towards 2020 and everyone has forgotten this.
On top of that, 'regs have settle down' seems a wish too far.
Derek Smith said:
... What's not to like, from a Merc and Ferrari pov? I'd love it to be true, in the sense of the two teams getting one over RB. I'm not sure I believe it, even if it was true.
Indeed, teams come and teams go, someone will fill their space. Lotus, Cooper, BRM, Vanwall etc. all gone and yet at the time leading teams and mainstays of F1. Let them go...
The thought I had in relation to Christian Horner and Bernie Ecclestone is that this could work out nicely for both of them. It has been suggested that Horner may take over from Ecclestone one day. Well maybe, come 2016, Horner will be at a bit of a loose end and F1 will have gained a replacement owner with a CVC sell out, the new owners looking for a younger figurehead than Ecclestone so Horner can take over.
So will it worry either of them that RB withdraw from F1?
So will it worry either of them that RB withdraw from F1?
Derek Smith said:
I'd love it to be true, in the sense of the two teams getting one over RB. I'm not sure I believe it, even if it was true.
The simpler explanation is that neither team want to gift their Prize Jewel engines to a team that has a proven track record in being utterly dominating with the right engine. And why on earth would they? Both are seeking Constructors Championships and they would be bonkers to give Red Bull the means to reduce the likelihood of getting one. That's why the best that they could hope for from either are N-1 engines. Just like Alonso jumping ship from Ferrari last year without having a seat to go to, RB really should have thought about this before burning their bridges / boats with Renault.
(Obviously when I say 'engine' I mean the whole caboodle of engine, gearbox, hybrid gubbins, etc etc)
Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff