Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016
Discussion
Scuffers said:
aeropilot said:
I'm beginning to think more and more than that Red Bull had done the deal with VAG in all but a signed and sealed official announcement hence their lack of concern about phissing off Renault during the year, and VAG's con artist trick in the USA has now furbar'd them completely...?
no chance, even if VAG wanted to, they would need a 18-24 month development to come up with the bear minimum spec, and with no tokens any more, they would be suicidal to do this in anything like a hurry.aeropilot said:
My assumption was that the 'announcement' of the deal would have been from the 2017 season, after the end of the existing RB-Renault contract. Of course......they've well and truly burnt many bridges there of course, but presumably, if RB don't break the contract, despite all the rhetoric aimed at the Reggie, Renault will have to do so to avoid supplying engines to RB next year...??
I suspect Renault could claim a complete breakdown in trust to terminate.Termination for convenience is a common clause. Question is the €/£/$ amount attached to it (and in which direction the money flows)?
Bernie stirring it again, or could this actually happen
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ecclestone-still...
Suggestion of 3.5 litre V6 with simple KERS as a cheaper alternative to the turbo-1.6 hybrids
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ecclestone-still...
Suggestion of 3.5 litre V6 with simple KERS as a cheaper alternative to the turbo-1.6 hybrids
MartG said:
Bernie stirring it again, or could this actually happen
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ecclestone-still...
Suggestion of 3.5 litre V6 with simple KERS as a cheaper alternative to the turbo-1.6 hybrids
I caught the tail end of the Ecclestone interview on Sky the other night. bernie was going on about Cosworth engines and there was a Cosworth poster/picture behind him.http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ecclestone-still...
Suggestion of 3.5 litre V6 with simple KERS as a cheaper alternative to the turbo-1.6 hybrids
I can't imagine where he's going to get these engines from.
I wonder if the 3.5 V6 will be limited to 100kg of fuel.
Never going to happen. RBR would only take on such an engine if they thought they could win with it, and all the other teams and manufacturers would only allow it they were confident that they could never win with it. Can you imagine the uproar if RBR used one of these alternative engines and then wiped the floor with it?
It would make a complete mockery of the current turbo/hybrid regulations if it were allowed to happen.
It would make a complete mockery of the current turbo/hybrid regulations if it were allowed to happen.
andy-xr said:
There's a much easier way of doing things in Bernie-land, it involves going to Ferrari and telling them either they give RedBull an engine or he deletes the Ferrari entry line for 2016 from his spreadsheet
That would never happen. Ferrari wield the most power of any team and he'd never not want them there, and they know that.noell35 said:
MartG said:
Bernie stirring it again, or could this actually happen
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ecclestone-still...
Suggestion of 3.5 litre V6 with simple KERS as a cheaper alternative to the turbo-1.6 hybrids
I caught the tail end of the Ecclestone interview on Sky the other night. bernie was going on about Cosworth engines and there was a Cosworth poster/picture behind him.http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ecclestone-still...
Suggestion of 3.5 litre V6 with simple KERS as a cheaper alternative to the turbo-1.6 hybrids
I can't imagine where he's going to get these engines from.
I wonder if the 3.5 V6 will be limited to 100kg of fuel.
Merc/Ferrari/Renault/Honda have already committed way too much money to the current format.
if there is a change, it will be incremental, like a change in fuel flow/boost/ERS that can be achieved without writing off their existing developments.
As for Cosworth, that's a non-starter, the bit that was last involved in F1 engine builds does not exist any more.
The different engines and proper independent, build yourself a car teams would be kind of cool, but it woul;d either lead to massive tantrums from Ferrari\Merc et al, if they were faster, or a two tier championship, where if you dont have a prancing horse or tri-star on the nose, go home.
It is interesting, but when Bernie stirs the spoon, i always expect it to be a non event now.
It is interesting, but when Bernie stirs the spoon, i always expect it to be a non event now.
thegreenhell said:
Never going to happen. RBR would only take on such an engine if they thought they could win with it, and all the other teams and manufacturers would only allow it they were confident that they could never win with it. Can you imagine the uproar if RBR used one of these alternative engines and then wiped the floor with it?
It would make a complete mockery of the current turbo/hybrid regulations if it were allowed to happen.
How would that make a mockery? It's not related...It would make a complete mockery of the current turbo/hybrid regulations if it were allowed to happen.
suffolk009 said:
My guess is that Bernie is stalling on Renault's request for historic participant payments until they offer to give RedBull another ball to play with next year. Or, something like that.
Thats what I've been mulling too, renault are stalling for preferred staus $$, a long term deal that specifies they have to give top spec lumps to RB should have something for everyone, at least if red bull quit whining.VolvoT5 said:
Bernie is full of s
t........... however after 2 years I still don't like these hybrid engines and I would love to see alternatives allowed.
They are remarkable, incredible pieces of engineering that have been incredibly badly marketed and pitched by the FIA with a few too many restrictions.t........... however after 2 years I still don't like these hybrid engines and I would love to see alternatives allowed. Vaud said:
They are remarkable, incredible pieces of engineering that have been incredibly badly marketed and pitched by the FIA with a few too many restrictions.
Totally. Everything in the "real world" for road cars is going hybrid - look at La Ferrari, McLaren P1, Porsche 917... everyone is doing it. It's the new hot "thing". And even on boring cars, the Toyota Prius and other hybrids are seen as Green, trendy and eco-wow.
I was talking to someone recently who is into cars but not F1, and he didn't even know that current F1 cars are hybrids. How messed up is that? The Promoter of F1 (ie. Bernie) should be banging on about this at every single opportunity, and so should the FIA. They should be touting the fact that F1 is bang on the current fad of right-on hybrids. That F1 is totally relevant to modern motoring (whether that be true or merely halo). Instead we have everyone downplaying and rubbishing F1 at every point.
Can you imagine what would happen in business if your Head of Marketing was always telling your customers how s
t your product was?! If, as rumour has it, CVC has to sell within months, then the Ecclestone fudge will help keep 22 cars on the grid. If it suddenly drops to 18, any value will disappear.
It is almost as if F1 was being run with no medium term plan, but that would be silly to suggest, wouldn't it.
There is a simple alternative, and that is slightly lower spec engines supplied. The rules will need a slight tweaking rather than being binned. Sold at a stipulated price. This will gain new teams and will be a de facto second formula, rather like the days of 3.5 naturally aspirated engines running at a time of 1.5 turbos. A stepping stone, rather like the old F2.
Engines from, say, six months into the previous season, changed half way through.
There are downsides. For instance, we might get another Eddie Jordan. Come to think of it, it is a rubbish idea.
It is almost as if F1 was being run with no medium term plan, but that would be silly to suggest, wouldn't it.
There is a simple alternative, and that is slightly lower spec engines supplied. The rules will need a slight tweaking rather than being binned. Sold at a stipulated price. This will gain new teams and will be a de facto second formula, rather like the days of 3.5 naturally aspirated engines running at a time of 1.5 turbos. A stepping stone, rather like the old F2.
Engines from, say, six months into the previous season, changed half way through.
There are downsides. For instance, we might get another Eddie Jordan. Come to think of it, it is a rubbish idea.
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