Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016
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If you look at all the markets Red Bull are in, also multiple other forms of sport from cars, to planes to even down hill racing on ice skates. It doesn't sound so silly to have a Merc or AMG badge on every hat or can Red Bull sell.
If LH and NR comes 1st and 2nd and Merc top of constructors, do they come home with hundreds of millions after what they have spent that season?
The racing guys will say no but the accountants might say yes :P
If LH and NR comes 1st and 2nd and Merc top of constructors, do they come home with hundreds of millions after what they have spent that season?
The racing guys will say no but the accountants might say yes :P
and the below, also maybe some good news for Manor.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
andburg said:
interestingly there has been no word I've seen about toro rosso ending their deal with Renault.
They are probably not, they are looking for buyer themselves and are perhaps trying to get Renaults attention as well. If Renault are looking to buy a team it would make sense to consider a current Renault customer who isn't being a bad old Mr meany with them. And buying STR will mean they can just buy the team. They don't have to worry about the long term deal Lotus did with Mercedes and possibly spending more buying them out of the contract,FourWheelDrift said:
They are probably not, they are looking for buyer themselves and are perhaps trying to get Renaults attention as well. If Renault are looking to buy a team it would make sense to consider a current Renault customer who isn't being a bad old Mr meany with them. And buying STR will mean they can just buy the team. They don't have to worry about the long term deal Lotus did with Mercedes and possibly spending more buying them out of the contract,
Might also be easier logistics/finances etc around buying STR as well, as its a mainland Europe based team within the Euro zone.....?theAmerican said:
Muzzer79 said:
theAmerican said:
I think the factory team plus 3 customer teams thing makes sense. On that basis,
RBR get Ferrari engines and Ferrari supply Haas & Sauber
STR get Merc engines and Merc supply FI & Williams
Lotus & Manor to Renault
You think that Red Bull will give the title-winning, widely-regarded-as-the-best engine to Toro Rosso and put the Ferrari engine with the 'main' team?RBR get Ferrari engines and Ferrari supply Haas & Sauber
STR get Merc engines and Merc supply FI & Williams
Lotus & Manor to Renault
Both teams are not joined at the hip and STR will need to demonstrate independence in order to find a buyer. Meanwhile, Merc get a tie-in of sorts with RedBull and 'access' to their young marketable drivers. Bigger picture buddy
Edited by theAmerican on Monday 7th September 20:46
The Mercedes engine is considered the best in the field. Big picture or not, if Red Bull have access to that engine, it's going in the number 1 team, not the junior team.
On autosport now that Mercedes have had talks with manor about an engine supply deal, as I mentioned yesterday it'll probably be at a discounted rate too in order to Wehrlein in a seat now that force India doors are closed.
Rumour was that dallara was withholding force India's tub because of late payment, merc stepped in and paid dallara so they would release force India's tub, think it only came for the second test and as such Wehrlein got a days testing out of it before dropping back into the merc, seems merc will try and get him in somewhere, lotus would have been a good shout, here's a few million dollars if you give our boy a race seat, lotus could do with the money after all, probably crash less than crashtor as well!
Rumour was that dallara was withholding force India's tub because of late payment, merc stepped in and paid dallara so they would release force India's tub, think it only came for the second test and as such Wehrlein got a days testing out of it before dropping back into the merc, seems merc will try and get him in somewhere, lotus would have been a good shout, here's a few million dollars if you give our boy a race seat, lotus could do with the money after all, probably crash less than crashtor as well!
Doink said:
On autosport now that Mercedes have had talks with manor about an engine supply deal, as I mentioned yesterday it'll probably be at a discounted rate too in order to Wehrlein in a seat now that force India doors are closed.
Rumour was that dallara was withholding force India's tub because of late payment, merc stepped in and paid dallara so they would release force India's tub, think it only came for the second test and as such Wehrlein got a days testing out of it before dropping back into the merc, seems merc will try and get him in somewhere, lotus would have been a good shout, here's a few million dollars if you give our boy a race seat, lotus could do with the money after all, probably crash less than crashtor as well!
that would free up an engine for RB? (or a second one for TR?)Rumour was that dallara was withholding force India's tub because of late payment, merc stepped in and paid dallara so they would release force India's tub, think it only came for the second test and as such Wehrlein got a days testing out of it before dropping back into the merc, seems merc will try and get him in somewhere, lotus would have been a good shout, here's a few million dollars if you give our boy a race seat, lotus could do with the money after all, probably crash less than crashtor as well!
RBR to lose $80m when Renault up sticks
http://thejudge13.com/2015/09/08/red-bull-set-to-l...
Oh well never mind!
http://thejudge13.com/2015/09/08/red-bull-set-to-l...
Oh well never mind!
kambites said:
It'd be great to see Manor get cheap Merc engines. 
They could also do with some chassis input too but the engines a good place to starthttp://www.f1today.net/en/news/204795/manor-to-be-...
Doink said:
Whoever wrote that dosen't know much about F1....Quote:.....but the sticking point is Bernie Ecclestone’s refusal to grant them payments from the historic funds pot. This despite Renault being by some way the second most successful engine supplier to F1 of all time.....
Second most successful by some margin.....huh?
Ford-Cosworth still have a handfull of wins more than Renault as it stands, so not even 2nd most successfull, let alone by some way
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