Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016

Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016

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Leroy902

1,539 posts

102 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Love EJ, just for the controversy amd humour he brings.
F1 would be far more boring without some stand out characters like him.

If it was up to PH members, we'd have everyone associated with F1 with as much personality as Ron Dennis.

Vaud

50,291 posts

154 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Leroy902 said:
If it was up to PH members, we'd have everyone associated with F1 with as much personality as Ron Dennis.
Focus is thought to be good, obsession is thought to be bad. But basically they're the same thing. And then there's ego. Ego is a core ingredient of ambition. Ambition and ego are close bed-fellows. And, like everybody I suppose, I seek happiness. It's an uncomplicated objective. I don't see happiness as laughing or clapping your hands. I see it as the opposite of unhappiness, the opposite of anger, of depression. If you can get into that state of mind, you're going to be far more productive."

“It is certainly not as fast as we would like it to be, but it’s early days and we’ve still got quite a bit of testing to do and quite a bit of development to reflect through into our pace.”

“At this time of the year all our testing is centred around optimising the car for the race. But the inevitable publicity that surrounds test performance sees some of the less experienced teams or some of the teams that are seeking money actually running their cars with the objective of doing one fast lap. Of course, one fast lap is very important when it comes to qualifying but it is relatively unimportant when it comes to the race. And the disciplined teams are working hard on a sustainable pace.”

All genuine quotes.

Dele

1,270 posts

193 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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MiniMan64 said:
Leroy902 said:
https://youtu.be/RaQH711aSRM?t=296

Surely it won't be a honda unit..
Troll level - Expert

They'd be absolutely mental to go with Honda next year unless someone's about to pull a massive loophole shaped rabbit out the hat...
I think he means/knows it will be and unbranded Renault unit renamed Nissan, bringing in a second Japanese brand into F1 and attracting Japanese sponsorship interest, taking it away from Honda and pissing off Ron knowing full well he needs sponsors

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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I'm aware of the Renault / Nissan link but if I was Mr. Nissan I'd be quite hesitant to put my name to the second worst power unit in F1.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 1st December 2015
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Oooo if it is Nissan, I do hope it's going to be 'Red Bull Nismo'.

sandman77

2,366 posts

137 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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HustleRussell said:
I'm aware of the Renault / Nissan link but if I was Mr. Nissan I'd be quite hesitant to put my name to the second worst power unit in F1.
Hey, its the 3rd best.
smile

revrange

1,182 posts

183 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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I think its tag branding on the engine, hence the upset mr Dennis line from Honer

BigBen

11,610 posts

229 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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revrange said:
I think its tag branding on the engine, hence the upset mr Dennis line from Honer
I thought the Tag engines had nowt to do with Tag watches these days

Dele

1,270 posts

193 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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BigBen said:
revrange said:
I think its tag branding on the engine, hence the upset mr Dennis line from Honer
I thought the Tag engines had nowt to do with Tag watches these days
They don't, they're two separate entities these days with TAG having shares in McLaren however TAG boss Mansour Ojjeh is in the process of selling his McLaren shares so who knows what's going on there.

MartG

20,622 posts

203 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Yes, I suspect TAG branding on a Renault engine

Like the TAG branding on the Porsche engine McLaren had


FourWheelDrift

88,382 posts

283 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Will they have an associated watch product that overheats, can't maintain the correct time and blows up if used for more than 1 hour?

andyps

7,817 posts

281 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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MartG said:
Yes, I suspect TAG branding on a Renault engine

Like the TAG branding on the Porsche engine McLaren had

I am not sure that is likely as that part of TAG is owned by Mansour Ojjeh who is a 25% shareholder in McLaren. It was the TAG part of TAG Heuer who will be sponsoring Red Bull in 2016 but they are a watch manufacturer who would have little to benefit from branding an engine.

Nissan, on the other hand, is likely and could upset Ron Dennis as an alternative Japanese name in the engine sector, attracting Japanese sponsorship interest.

BigBen

11,610 posts

229 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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andyps said:
MartG said:
Yes, I suspect TAG branding on a Renault engine

Like the TAG branding on the Porsche engine McLaren had

I am not sure that is likely as that part of TAG is owned by Mansour Ojjeh who is a 25% shareholder in McLaren. It was the TAG part of TAG Heuer who will be sponsoring Red Bull in 2016 but they are a watch manufacturer who would have little to benefit from branding an engine.

Nissan, on the other hand, is likely and could upset Ron Dennis as an alternative Japanese name in the engine sector, attracting Japanese sponsorship interest.
That is what I was getting at above. TAG (Techniques Avant Guard iirc) the engine / racing company split from TAG the watch company a long time ago, it would be very odd for a watch company to brand an engine which they have nothing to do with.

AW111

9,455 posts

132 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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BigBen said:
That is what I was getting at above. TAG (Techniques Avant Guard iirc) the engine / racing company split from TAG the watch company a long time ago, it would be very odd for a watch company to brand an engine which they have nothing to do with.
If the engine does well, I'm sure TAG the watch company will try to make an association in ther marketing.

Flying Toilet

3,621 posts

210 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Well it's a TAG branded engine.

BigBen

11,610 posts

229 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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AW111 said:
BigBen said:
That is what I was getting at above. TAG (Techniques Avant Guard iirc) the engine / racing company split from TAG the watch company a long time ago, it would be very odd for a watch company to brand an engine which they have nothing to do with.
If the engine does well, I'm sure TAG the watch company will try to make an association in ther marketing.
They haven't gone beyond having drivers as brand ambassadors in the past and it would be odd if when the watch company was sold there was not a strong "you will not make engines and we will not make watches" clause in the sale papers.

Dele

1,270 posts

193 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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From Red Bulls Facebook page:


MiniMan64

16,867 posts

189 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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So...Infinity Red Bull Racing Tag Heur?

Red Bull Chassis, Renault Block, Red Bull shiny bit developed with Tag Heur's help?

What a mess.

And why aren't Torro Rosso running it too? More development miles instead of an old Ferrari engine surely?

glazbagun

14,259 posts

196 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Dele said:
From Red Bulls Facebook page:

All I see is a bunch of watchmakers scratching their heads and thinking "what does this do?" laugh

klunkT5

589 posts

117 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Love all the chrome bits biggrin