Has F1 reached a new low?
Discussion
In terms of the cars driving themselves, I agree things could be better but do none of you remember some 15 or so years ago when the cars had traction control, ABS, and were actually changing gears up and down based on GPS position around the track? I'd called that 'driving themselves' and I think things are a lot better these days. Much improvement could be made though.
V8covin said:
I used to be F1 mad,watched practice and everthying,these days it doesn't bother me if I even see the race.It's so boring.
Same here, I record the F1 races these days and have them on in the background and it saddens me to say that when I have been such a fan for so long.The sooner Jean Todt grows a pair and sorts this out and the asset strippers CVC go the better!
You have to ask yourself the question about the current state of F1 - What is there to get excited about?
At least when Schumacher was dominating I knew I was watching the pinnacle of motorsport. The cars looked and sounded awesome, were seriously fast and the drivers could push 100% every lap.
Today's F1 seems a very slow, uninspiring, strangled, watered-down joke of what the pinnacle of motorsport is supposed to be all about. The dreadful 'modern' empty, soulless tracks only add to erase any passion and soul the sport once had.
After Rosberg retired today I switched off for the 1st time in 10 years. These days I am barely finding a reason to watch the race, let alone practice and qualy. Very sad, the magic of F1 has gone for me.
At least when Schumacher was dominating I knew I was watching the pinnacle of motorsport. The cars looked and sounded awesome, were seriously fast and the drivers could push 100% every lap.
Today's F1 seems a very slow, uninspiring, strangled, watered-down joke of what the pinnacle of motorsport is supposed to be all about. The dreadful 'modern' empty, soulless tracks only add to erase any passion and soul the sport once had.
After Rosberg retired today I switched off for the 1st time in 10 years. These days I am barely finding a reason to watch the race, let alone practice and qualy. Very sad, the magic of F1 has gone for me.
V8covin said:
London424 said:
When was it good/better in your view?
The trouble is F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of engineering so I don't know where we go from herePersonally I think the early - mid '90's were the most impressive F1 cars, but after driver aids were banned, they were hardly state of the art even by road car standards in many areas. Didn't seem to stop them looking and sounding awesome, and anyone who witnessed them live and left the circuit in any doubt that they'd witnessed something pretty special must have been technologically illiterate.
I not seen a single comment on any F1 thread on here where the increased economy of the engines has been cited as beneficial to the race, but - ironicaly - plenty about how crap the fuel saving orders are.
The rules - and the cars - need vastly simplifying IMO.
I thought today's race was canny. The WEC race was 100 times better, though.
IMO the biggest issues on current F1 are the runoffs and the tyres. The whole fuel saving thing is a red herring - F1 has always had fuel saving, we just didn't get to hear the radio discussing it.
Modern tracks have all been paved for safety. That's fine, but it means liberties can be taken that in the past would have had a gravelly end. Meanwhile, with the tyre situation we have th feeling that they're not "on it" all th time.
If they just put decent rubber on the cars and did something to punish going off track more, there'd be a lot more excitement.
IMO the biggest issues on current F1 are the runoffs and the tyres. The whole fuel saving thing is a red herring - F1 has always had fuel saving, we just didn't get to hear the radio discussing it.
Modern tracks have all been paved for safety. That's fine, but it means liberties can be taken that in the past would have had a gravelly end. Meanwhile, with the tyre situation we have th feeling that they're not "on it" all th time.
If they just put decent rubber on the cars and did something to punish going off track more, there'd be a lot more excitement.
mondeoman said:
Gillett66 said:
2 pages of guesswork and stories about how bad it all is.
No one going to mention today's race? Pretty entertaining by most peoples standards.
So enthralling and gripping that I fell asleep... No one going to mention today's race? Pretty entertaining by most peoples standards.
I only watch it these days because the company I work for supplies clutches to half the grid.
Its an interesting conversation topic.....for about 30 seconds.
F1 needs a real rivalry. Nico has put up a fight but the spark has gone this year. That will create a buzz.
Lewis needs a Vettel or Alonso challenging him in equal or more competitve cars.
F1 also needs a bad guy like Schumacher again. He was so polarising but brilliant too. If there was someone with the personality of Floyd Mayweather and not some corporate dummy it would be great too.
Its an interesting conversation topic.....for about 30 seconds.
F1 needs a real rivalry. Nico has put up a fight but the spark has gone this year. That will create a buzz.
Lewis needs a Vettel or Alonso challenging him in equal or more competitve cars.
F1 also needs a bad guy like Schumacher again. He was so polarising but brilliant too. If there was someone with the personality of Floyd Mayweather and not some corporate dummy it would be great too.
Schermerhorn said:
F1 also needs a bad guy like Schumacher again. He was so polarising but brilliant too. If there was someone with the personality of Floyd Mayweather and not some corporate dummy it would be great too.
I think Vettle is doing his best to fulfill this role. Look at his attitude with Redbull when he was team mates with Webber. Can't remember which race it was, but there was one where he was asked to give the position over to Webber and all of a sudden developed a case of deafness and took the position anyway. danllama said:
I was actually thinking this last weekend. What an achingly dull track. All of the brilliant tracks in the world and they go to Sochi. Pathetic.
Are you referring to the BBC going to Sochi or F1 going to Sochi, or both ?I suppose the beeb were there as they may have forecast it to be an 'interesting championship race' earlier 2015 or whenever they decide what might be happening with the WDC and which races to cover. As for F1 being there, I suspect this might have something to do with it is currently one of the countries that doesn't care just yet as to what it costs to host V what it brings in.
But there in Bernie has created his own problem, he seems to have the knack at selling a loss making event to all these new countries at the sacrifice of the established 'Proper' circuits. All the while another country says 'we'll host a race' he can take the attitude of pay up, Spa, Monza, Hockenheim/Nurburgring, and the like or we go elsewhere.
Only when he goes will the whole circus have a realistic chance of it being run more efficiently and to the benefit and enjoyment of the fans rather than Bernies pension pot.
Am I the only one who enjoyed the race then? 
Okay it's not the most atmospheric track but there was still plenty of action.
To improve the racing, allow ground effects, have wider tyres and limit the size of the wings. I'd have manual gearboxes back if I could. More going on in the cockpit = chances to make mistakes under pressure.
Okay it's not the most atmospheric track but there was still plenty of action.
To improve the racing, allow ground effects, have wider tyres and limit the size of the wings. I'd have manual gearboxes back if I could. More going on in the cockpit = chances to make mistakes under pressure.
budgie smuggler said:
To improve the racing, allow ground effects, have wider tyres and limit the size of the wings. I'd have manual gearboxes back if I could. More going on in the cockpit = chances to make mistakes under pressure.
What about taking away the live data from the car to the pit wall and the radio, only communications would be via pit board and a single button for the driver to indicate they wish to come into the pits. Let them be on their own to manage the car fully. danllama said:
Do you watch BTCC? If not, try that.
I used to, but now all we get is Alan Gow trying to emulate Bernie, prescribed ECUs, all the teams running FWD cars whining about the BMWs and eventually getting their boost reduced at the start - too much interference for my liking. If you can't get your FWD car competitive use an RWD chassis!And if I wanted to watch banger racing I would go to Aldershot or Wimbledon!
budgie smuggler said:
Am I the only one who enjoyed the race then?
No. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Not a classic, but still good.It is a shame that Rosberg didn't score and so virtually giving Hamilton the title, but it hardly comes as a surprise. I enjoyed Vettel's drive and the fact that he's in front of NR in the table. I wonder if we'll see LH playing the team game and not challenging him in the remaining races. Big ask? Not really.
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