2016 Testing

[McAndy]

BarbaricAvatar said:

Explain why.

Because I believe he sours relationships which prevents the teams from moving forwards with new ideas cordially.

[Scuffers]

McAndy said:

Because I believe he sours relationships which prevents the teams from moving forwards with new ideas cordially.

The tech reggs are nothing to do with Bernie.

I could make a pretty good argument that if they were, he would likely do a better job.

[Vocal Minority]

Bernie has made the teams all much richer than they would otherwise have been. The teams are very, very conscious of this.

[revrange]

cjm said:

How do we know McLaren had a good chassis? They didn't do much with it the previous season when they had the best engine. It seems pretty easy to say its good when you don't have the power to back it up, and this time last year Ron was saying the engine was also good.

I agree, tracks/in the wet where power less important it hardly shined.


Also other problems will surface once your going quicker should honda make the leap, tyre wear/brakes etc

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revrange said:

Also other problems will surface once your going quicker should honda make the leap, tyre wear/brakes etc

exactly, you will never know the limits of the chassis till to exceed them.

[Galileo]

revrange said:

cjm said:

How do we know McLaren had a good chassis? They didn't do much with it the previous season when they had the best engine. It seems pretty easy to say its good when you don't have the power to back it up, and this time last year Ron was saying the engine was also good.

I agree, tracks/in the wet where power less important it hardly shined.


Also other problems will surface once your going quicker should honda make the leap, tyre wear/brakes etc

Because in the wet, Cornering speed is reduced a lot more than straight line speed.

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Galileo said:

Because in the wet, Cornering speed is reduced a lot more than straight line speed.

maybe, but reality, wet races are a great leveler in negating the advantage of power

[em177]

We're al booked to had to Barcelona testing the start of March. Anyone else making the trip?

[Richard-G]

revrange said:

cjm said:

How do we know McLaren had a good chassis? They didn't do much with it the previous season when they had the best engine. It seems pretty easy to say its good when you don't have the power to back it up, and this time last year Ron was saying the engine was also good.

I agree, tracks/in the wet where power less important it hardly shined.


Also other problems will surface once your going quicker should honda make the leap, tyre wear/brakes etc

The honda unit stopped electric deployment way way earlier than the other teams. A fair few times you could see cars catch the mchondas up before the brake zone purely due to the fact they'd ran out of deployment, this had a knock on of meaning stoping from lower speeds meaning less brake temp and in turn less tyre temp.

Jenson commented all season that the car was short of its own sweet spot it was so under powered.

best example was silverstone, the end of the hanger straight the cars were dog slow as they'd deployed on the wellington and from luffield to copse. They were so much slower than the rest it was visible

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Richard-G said:

The honda unit stopped electric deployment way way earlier than the other teams. A fair few times you could see cars catch the mchondas up before the brake zone purely due to the fact they'd ran out of deployment, this had a knock on of meaning stoping from lower speeds meaning less brake temp and in turn less tyre temp.

Jenson commented all season that the car was short of its own sweet spot it was so under powered.

best example was silverstone, the end of the hanger straight the cars were dog slow as they'd deployed on the wellington and from luffield to copse. They were so much slower than the rest it was visible

nobody is arguing that.

the issue was twofold:

(1) the honda turbo setup could not harvest anyhting like the same power as the Merc/Ferrari and even Renault units
(2) the honda turbo consumed far more electrical power keeping it spinning than the others.

net result was they had far less recovered energy to play with.

[Trevatanus]

A month today!

[Scuffers]

so, where do we all think HASS will be in the pecking order?

I have a feeling Williams will be up against it...

[patmahe]

Scuffers said:

so, where do we all think HASS will be in the pecking order?

I have a feeling Williams will be up against it...

I predict 16th and 18th on the grid in their first GP and will finish 12th and 14th - no real basis for it, just a finger in the air estimate.

ETA: I'd be impressed if they do any better than that.

[McAndy]

With Manor getting a Mercedes engine and "Williams rear end", could they be ahead of McLaren? And If Haas "benefit" from their Ferrari links, who might be behind McLaren? (Assuming that they don't significantly improve, of course.)

[Trevatanus]

Newey reckons that Honda will have sorted their engine issues over the winter, and will overtake Red Bull:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/newey-sees-honda...

[FourWheelDrift]

Trevatanus said:

Newey reckons that Honda will have sorted their engine issues over the winter, and will overtake Red Bull:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/newey-sees-honda...

Breaks down on Pirelli test - http://www.crash.net/f1/news/226268/1/familiar-tal...

Lets hope that was last years engine.

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FourWheelDrift said:

Breaks down on Pirelli test - http://www.crash.net/f1/news/226268/1/familiar-tal...

Lets hope that was last years engine.

last years everything.

rule of the test, nothing 2016

[patmahe]

Scuffers said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Breaks down on Pirelli test - http://www.crash.net/f1/news/226268/1/familiar-tal...

Lets hope that was last years engine.

last years everything.

rule of the test, nothing 2016

I'd say both McLaren and Honda cannot wait to see the end of that car/engine. Can't see it being in the foyer at McLaren HQ, most likely shoved down into some basement, or the lake out front. Still 2016 is likely to see improvement, sure it could hardly be worse.

[BarbaricAvatar]

patmahe said:

I'd say both McLaren and Honda cannot wait to see the end of that car/engine. Can't see it being in the foyer at McLaren HQ, most likely shoved down into some basement, or the lake out front. Still 2016 is likely to see improvement, sure it could hardly be worse.

A question that came up during the Abu Dhabi GP last year. Naturally i complied with the theory (knocked up in 5mins):

[Allyc85]

So £25 to go see the testing at Silverstone.

http://www.silverstone.co.uk/news/tickets-go-sale-...

So that could make it a £100+ day for me, when there could literally be no track action..