Kvyat for the chop mid season?
Discussion
Leithen said:
The driver market may well be restricted for 2017 - Ricciardo, Verstappen and Sainz are supposedly contracted with Red Bull through 2017. Positioning for 2018 will be at the top of every driver manager's mind however and is no doubt one of the reasons Verstappen has been promoted now.
Marchionne is not known for his patience and is demanding results. I like Kimi, but it's hard to argue that he isn't at the end of his career. I can't see him in 2018 driving for Ferrari.
I agree, he is definitely towards the end of his career. But Ferrari have normally run no.1/no.2 driver set-up in the past and Kimi seems happy to play that role. He turns up, drive the car well, doesn't crash that often and takes whatever result comes without moaning about it. Putting an equal to Vettel in the team would be fireworks and I can't see Bottas or Grosjean really accepting the role as Vettel's bMarchionne is not known for his patience and is demanding results. I like Kimi, but it's hard to argue that he isn't at the end of his career. I can't see him in 2018 driving for Ferrari.
h as they both still have ambitions to fulfil. Given that most of the star names appear to be locked down for 2017 it would seem likely they will continue with him as a stop gap for 2017 and look to change things up in 2018. If things continue as they are at Ferrari Vettel may even flounce off elsewhere by 2018... Mercedes perhaps.
Bradgate said:
"Childish whining"? The kid is 18, FFS!
And in an adult environment. His talent warrents it sure, but he cannot behind the 'kid' excuse and he needs to step up the maturity according to his over achievement IMHO. It's not a big thing, his driving is generally fine, he just needs to ditch the rants!Leithen said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Why?
Several reasons.An unfortunate string of bad results and some teenager will suddenly have his seat.
His team management have proven once again what a bunch of
s they are.There's a Ferrari seat going and whilst Marchionne is just as ruthless as Mateschitz, he wouldn't have to cope with Dr Darkness prowling in the background.
I suspect Carlos Sainz Snr will be having dinner with Marchionne very soon.
& I think DR would be a perfect fit at Fezza.
DR is a great driver and I want him to win a WDC, just not with Red Bulls
t and that pack of s.Can't help thinking that this will create a large quantity of ill-will towards Red Bull up and down the pit-lane, throughout the paddock and beyond.
I feel a level of sympathy for Verstappen. It's a wonderful opportunity, but a poisoned chalice too.
I'm old as well and balk at the sight of fathers scheming in the background. It used to be a Men's sport. (I know it's a daft thing to think, but I can't help it.)
I feel a level of sympathy for Verstappen. It's a wonderful opportunity, but a poisoned chalice too.
I'm old as well and balk at the sight of fathers scheming in the background. It used to be a Men's sport. (I know it's a daft thing to think, but I can't help it.)
EnglishTony said:
Autosport says Jos is replacing Kvyat for the Spanish GP.
I'll just have a tenner I think on him hitting Vettel.
Jos Verstappen? Now that really is a shocker, it must be 30 years since he's driven a current F1 car? I'll just have a tenner I think on him hitting Vettel.
ETA: Turns out it's only been 12 years. Game on! (I don't remember 1994)
Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 5th May 11:35
Vaud said:
Depends, I don't think we have enough facts to make that call.
Perhaps Verstappen has an offer from Mercedes or Ferrari? I've no doubt that all top teams would want him.
If you were RB, what would you do? The only counter you can give is a better seat, even if that costs you one of your other drivers.
I think it's less about demoting Kvyat, more about retaining Verstappen, but that's just my armchair expert view. Kvyat is the most expendable from the top seats.
They've shot their bolt too early IMO.Perhaps Verstappen has an offer from Mercedes or Ferrari? I've no doubt that all top teams would want him.
If you were RB, what would you do? The only counter you can give is a better seat, even if that costs you one of your other drivers.
I think it's less about demoting Kvyat, more about retaining Verstappen, but that's just my armchair expert view. Kvyat is the most expendable from the top seats.
Unlikely max was going to be signing anything soon when he's contracted to RB until the end of '17 and they could spoil him by bringing him up too early, in a manner that now he has to really prove himself. Should have waited few more races at least IMO.
Sainz on the other hand, also a huge potential, is now psychologically nothing more than a no2 b
h for RB - even if he were alongside max at RB next year.Howsabout this - kvyats had some solid races and built some good points but has never looked like the next big thing IMO, now he will be smarting but has had his wings clipped - no2 at ferrari for next year?
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