Was it Nico or Lewis at fault in Spain?
Poll: Was it Nico or Lewis at fault in Spain?
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Dr Z said:
Here is a pic of Nico's steering wheel:
You can see his notes stuck on it to help him with the correct formation lap/race start sequence on the right. The rotary switch on the bottom left is the strat/PU mode switch. Race start is 3, Safety Car/Warm up lap mode is 11/12. He forgot to switch it back to 3 at the start. However, AFAIK the launch map over-rides all of this, which is why he was able to do a normal start.
After a few corners, he realises he's in the wrong mode but him changing it back or the OT button doesn't get activated yet due to the FIA lockout, and W07's own safety net of not giving the driver instant boost mid corner or something. Nothing fishy about it.
I'd forgotten about the no strat change after start. If rosberg couldn't change strat for the whole of lap 1 then it's fair to say hamilton had a very good chance to have got back past him at some point, but for the "accident" no?You can see his notes stuck on it to help him with the correct formation lap/race start sequence on the right. The rotary switch on the bottom left is the strat/PU mode switch. Race start is 3, Safety Car/Warm up lap mode is 11/12. He forgot to switch it back to 3 at the start. However, AFAIK the launch map over-rides all of this, which is why he was able to do a normal start.
After a few corners, he realises he's in the wrong mode but him changing it back or the OT button doesn't get activated yet due to the FIA lockout, and W07's own safety net of not giving the driver instant boost mid corner or something. Nothing fishy about it.
hairyben said:
I'd forgotten about the no strat change after start. If rosberg couldn't change strat for the whole of lap 1 then it's fair to say hamilton had a very good chance to have got back past him at some point, but for the "accident" no?
Indeed, this is my understanding. The FIA lockout is 90s. Mercedes' own strat change only comes 'online' after a few hundred meters as Hamilton himself has confirmed.Dr Z said:
hairyben said:
I'd forgotten about the no strat change after start. If rosberg couldn't change strat for the whole of lap 1 then it's fair to say hamilton had a very good chance to have got back past him at some point, but for the "accident" no?
Indeed, this is my understanding. The FIA lockout is 90s. Mercedes' own strat change only comes 'online' after a few hundred meters as Hamilton himself has confirmed.S0 What said:
Then again Lewis also has a history of putting nose in closing gaps, Canada 2011, and the above mentioned 2012, and a lots of times with Massa (usually resulting in a DNF).
Racing incident get over it people.
The string of Massa incidents were almost always because Filipe Massa has absolutely no spacial awareness in any shape or form. If his balls actually functioned and ever produced any testosterone, he'd look and drive exactly like Pastor Maldonado.Racing incident get over it people.
Canada was because Hamilton was trying to show off in front of Rhianna.
Agreed, though. Racing incident. If it happened anywhere else down the field, nobody would have bothered.
Boring_Chris said:
If it happened anywhere else down the field, nobody would have bothered.
Yes you are right in this instance, but generally, no, it could have happened right at the front of the field, but if it didn't involve Lewis Hamilton, then it would have been tumbleweed on here. He ought to market his own brand of handbags 
deadslow said:
Yes you are right in this instance, but generally, no, it could have happened right at the front of the field, but if it didn't involve Lewis Hamilton, then it would have been tumbleweed on here. He ought to market his own brand of handbags
As I recall Lewis was pretty chilled about it afterwards and Nico needed the handbags!deadslow said:
Boring_Chris said:
If it happened anywhere else down the field, nobody would have bothered.
Yes you are right in this instance, but generally, no, it could have happened right at the front of the field, but if it didn't involve Lewis Hamilton, then it would have been tumbleweed on here. He ought to market his own brand of handbags swisstoni said:
deadslow said:
Boring_Chris said:
If it happened anywhere else down the field, nobody would have bothered.
Yes you are right in this instance, but generally, no, it could have happened right at the front of the field, but if it didn't involve Lewis Hamilton, then it would have been tumbleweed on here. He ought to market his own brand of handbags deadslow said:
Surprised? What makes you say that? Its more annoying when LH's petted lip starts to quiver and a million febble-minded facebook fanboys start shouting that Lauda, Wolf etc are cheats etc. Its tiring more than anything.
Febble ! lol
No fanboy, would be happy for Rosberg to win the wdc, but think he is more of a Prost than a Senna character and I know which I preferred to watch.
Pity he chose to lie about his interaction with the steering wheel, claiming he only pressed overtake when you can clearly see him altering other settings.
Dr Z said:
hairyben said:
I'd forgotten about the no strat change after start. If rosberg couldn't change strat for the whole of lap 1 then it's fair to say hamilton had a very good chance to have got back past him at some point, but for the "accident" no?
Indeed, this is my understanding. The FIA lockout is 90s. Mercedes' own strat change only comes 'online' after a few hundred meters as Hamilton himself has confirmed.NJK44 said:
Dr Z said:
hairyben said:
I'd forgotten about the no strat change after start. If rosberg couldn't change strat for the whole of lap 1 then it's fair to say hamilton had a very good chance to have got back past him at some point, but for the "accident" no?
Indeed, this is my understanding. The FIA lockout is 90s. Mercedes' own strat change only comes 'online' after a few hundred meters as Hamilton himself has confirmed.
deadslow said:
swisstoni said:
deadslow said:
Boring_Chris said:
If it happened anywhere else down the field, nobody would have bothered.
Yes you are right in this instance, but generally, no, it could have happened right at the front of the field, but if it didn't involve Lewis Hamilton, then it would have been tumbleweed on here. He ought to market his own brand of handbags NJK44 said:
Dr Z said:
hairyben said:
I'd forgotten about the no strat change after start. If rosberg couldn't change strat for the whole of lap 1 then it's fair to say hamilton had a very good chance to have got back past him at some point, but for the "accident" no?
Indeed, this is my understanding. The FIA lockout is 90s. Mercedes' own strat change only comes 'online' after a few hundred meters as Hamilton himself has confirmed.
The more I see it, the more I'm convinced that it was an instinctive reaction from both drivers and not deliberate. Nico was desperate, but so was Lewis in trying to get past that very instant. Because it was an instinctive reaction, perhaps it betrays a ruthless streak in Nico. If I got the situation right, Lewis had the whole lap to pass Nico and had plenty of time to think and plan the move as he noticed Nico losing power by Turn 3. But of course, if your Senna-like instinct kicks in, you will stick your nose in to a closing door.
It was a very aggressive defence from Nico, but he didn't do anything 'illegal', except not leaving room, but if I was being completely detached from the situation, I would say that the closing speed from Lewis goes in some way to mitigate him not leaving room. If Nico did anything like this again, I hope the stewards don't look too kindly on it.
Dr Z said:
NJK44 said:
Dr Z said:
hairyben said:
I'd forgotten about the no strat change after start. If rosberg couldn't change strat for the whole of lap 1 then it's fair to say hamilton had a very good chance to have got back past him at some point, but for the "accident" no?
Indeed, this is my understanding. The FIA lockout is 90s. Mercedes' own strat change only comes 'online' after a few hundred meters as Hamilton himself has confirmed.The more I see it, the more I'm convinced that it was an instinctive reaction from both drivers and not deliberate. Nico was desperate, but so was Lewis in trying to get past that very instant. Because it was an instinctive reaction, perhaps it betrays a ruthless streak in Nico. If I got the situation right, Lewis had the whole lap to pass Nico and had plenty of time to think and plan the move as he noticed Nico losing power by Turn 3. But of course, if your Senna-like instinct kicks in, you will stick your nose in to a closing door.
It was a very aggressive defence from Nico, but he didn't do anything 'illegal', except not leaving room, but if I was being completely detached from the situation, I would say that the closing speed from Lewis goes in some way to mitigate him not leaving room. If Nico did anything like this again, I hope the stewards don't look too kindly on it.
And as for your first comment, I'm fairly sure Nico knows that once you're in the grass, you've got no chance. Nico was the one who put him there..
NJK44 said:
It's simple. Nico didn't realise where Lewis was, got desperate and defended like an idiot. And unfortunately, not leaving room IS illegal.
And as for your first comment, I'm fairly sure Nico knows that once you're in the grass, you've got no chance. Nico was the one who put him there..
I'll leave you to your 'hate' of Nico. I've said enough. And as for your first comment, I'm fairly sure Nico knows that once you're in the grass, you've got no chance. Nico was the one who put him there..
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