Was it Nico or Lewis at fault in Spain?
Poll: Was it Nico or Lewis at fault in Spain?
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suffolk009 said:
Sir Jackie is talking crap. Again.
he is a complete and utter 4rse. really. just talking for the sake of it. Hamilton had to pass else he would have been stuck behind Nico for the rest of the race a la Kimi on Verstappen.has Rosberg not driven drivers' off the road before? Wasn't it both Hamilton and Alonso in China? i'm so glad Hamilton collected him. what Rosberg did wasn't a measured forcing off the track, but more an Uber-minicab-esque swerve ie no f'ing regard for others.
suffolk009 said:
LandR said:
Jackie Stewart says it was Hamiltons fault and should be disciplined by the team.
Sir Jackie is talking crap. Again.Jackie Stewart said:
‘It was all emotion. First lap. Desperation. That’s not the way to win, not consistently. Hamilton is to blame. Rosberg is allowed to protect himself. You don’t go for it on the first lap.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
Too soon?
suffolk009 said:
//j17 said:
suffolk009 said:
Sir Jackie is talking crap. Again.
Never trust a man who wears tartan trousers.Anyway, what would Jackie Stewart & Niki Lauda know about anything. 6 Championships and 50+ wins between them. Pffffttt. British bloke vs a German bloke. It's obvious who's at fault. Never trust a bloke with better hair than you.
Leithen said:
Indeed. So do I. You can add pretty much every officer who has ever served in a Scottish Regiment too....
Anyway, what would Jackie Stewart & Niki Lauda know about anything. 6 Championships and 50+ wins between them. Pffffttt. British bloke vs a German bloke. It's obvious who's at fault. Never trust a bloke with better hair than you.
Genghis Khan won a few wars too, but he wouldn't last too long directing troops in Afghanistan.Anyway, what would Jackie Stewart & Niki Lauda know about anything. 6 Championships and 50+ wins between them. Pffffttt. British bloke vs a German bloke. It's obvious who's at fault. Never trust a bloke with better hair than you.
king Leithen said:
selym said:
Genghis Khan won a few wars too, but he wouldn't last too long directing troops in Afghanistan.
Oh I think he'd get the hang of all the new fangled stuff quite easily. Might find it all a bit easier in when you think about it...... 
Leithen said:
Indeed. So do I. You can add pretty much every officer who has ever served in a Scottish Regiment too....
Anyway, what would Jackie Stewart & Niki Lauda know about anything. 6 Championships and 50+ wins between them. Pffffttt. British bloke vs a German bloke. It's obvious who's at fault. Never trust a bloke with better hair than you.
Both Lauda and Stewart are risk averse ex-F1 drivers so am not that surprised by their comments. Lauda obviously because he was nearly burned alive and Stewart because he witnessed a lot of death in F1 during his racing days. Indeed he quit because of his team-mate Cevert's death.Anyway, what would Jackie Stewart & Niki Lauda know about anything. 6 Championships and 50+ wins between them. Pffffttt. British bloke vs a German bloke. It's obvious who's at fault. Never trust a bloke with better hair than you.
Its ironic though that both were great friends with G Villeneuve, one of the most daredevil drivers ever to be in an F1 car.
audi321 said:
Sylvaforever said:
The conclusion I came to was sheer, near panic driven desperation, to prevent being passed after screwing up mightily.
100% agree with thisEagleMoto4-2 said:
Both Lauda and Stewart...Its ironic though that both were great friends with G Villeneuve, one of the most daredevil drivers ever to be in an F1 car.
Although he died as a result of his 'daredevil' attitude to risk... Perhaps it's another reason they are so against it...M.
Edited by marcosgt on Tuesday 17th May 14:29
At first I thought 50:50, but now I'm thinking Rosberg was more at fault, although still a racing incident.
Rosberg came out of the corner in a car with a problem - down on power compared to Lewis' and at a significant speed disadvantage. He knew that along the straight Lewis would come past. So he made his move, but it was too late. Lewis was already significantly alongside. Lewis can not be to blame for going for a gap. Rosberg should have accepted his mistake in having the wrong setting. Perhaps he had been able to get past Lewis at the start because of the setting that resulted in energy recovery mode being engaged at turn 3?
Rosberg came out of the corner in a car with a problem - down on power compared to Lewis' and at a significant speed disadvantage. He knew that along the straight Lewis would come past. So he made his move, but it was too late. Lewis was already significantly alongside. Lewis can not be to blame for going for a gap. Rosberg should have accepted his mistake in having the wrong setting. Perhaps he had been able to get past Lewis at the start because of the setting that resulted in energy recovery mode being engaged at turn 3?
suffolk009 said:
LandR said:
Jackie Stewart says it was Hamiltons fault and should be disciplined by the team.
Sir Jackie is talking crap. Again.Jackie Stewart said:
‘It was all emotion. First lap. Desperation. That’s not the way to win, not consistently. Hamilton is to blame. Rosberg is allowed to protect himself. You don’t go for it on the first lap.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
I think it's because Lewis has matched his 3 WDCs and may yet surpass that figure...
Though perhaps not this season...
Richie Slow said:
If you look at the start again you will see LH move to his right and block NR twice. That kind of aggression sets a tone and NR knows all about robust defence as he's been on the receiving end too many times. It needed to be done, Rosberg has yielded too many times in the past.
He wasn't blocking, he was trying to stop Nico getting a tow. Very, very, very different things, but actually Lewis has been penalised for doing it in the past.suffolk009 said:
//j17 said:
suffolk009 said:
Sir Jackie is talking crap. Again.
Never trust a man who wears tartan trousers.//j17 said:
suffolk009 said:
//j17 said:
suffolk009 said:
Sir Jackie is talking crap. Again.
Never trust a man who wears tartan trousers.Very O/T - I am always disappointed when so many of the TV presenters are ex drivers. How hard would it be to find one media friendly engineer? Someone who can talk sense when explaining the techie bits (by which I mean not Ted).
suffolk009 said:
Yeah you're quite right - the tighty white Monagasque specials. Euuch.
Very O/T - I am always disappointed when so many of the TV presenters are ex drivers. How hard would it be to find one media friendly engineer? Someone who can talk sense when explaining the techie bits (by which I mean not Ted).
I used to like Gary Anderson's explanationsVery O/T - I am always disappointed when so many of the TV presenters are ex drivers. How hard would it be to find one media friendly engineer? Someone who can talk sense when explaining the techie bits (by which I mean not Ted).
suffolk009 said:
LandR said:
Jackie Stewart says it was Hamiltons fault and should be disciplined by the team.
Sir Jackie is talking crap. Again.Jackie Stewart said:
‘It was all emotion. First lap. Desperation. That’s not the way to win, not consistently. Hamilton is to blame. Rosberg is allowed to protect himself. You don’t go for it on the first lap.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
‘It’s just completely wrong. And then to throw the steering wheel out of the car. Probably £30,000-£40,000 of steering wheel.
‘It’s difficult for them to leave Lewis out for a race when they need to win the world championship. But there does need to be discipline.
‘I would certainly have penalised the driver who made that mistake on the first lap. It would have to be financial. But Lewis is making such a lot of money that it might not be a big penalty to him.
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