The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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patmahe said:
LDN said:
freddytin said:
mollytherocker said:
Great race.
Danny Rics wrath is strangely out of character. Yes, the team cocked up but he got 2nd.
I have never seen him act like that before. Strange.
Yep, don't understand his attitude at all. What a miserable git. Danny Rics wrath is strangely out of character. Yes, the team cocked up but he got 2nd.
I have never seen him act like that before. Strange.
He's done everything perfectly all weekend, his car definitely has the pace, he delivers in qualifying and in the race lap after lap in tough conditions and then the team screws up and it all falls apart. Second would be a nice reward if they had been struggling for pace, but they really should have won that at a canter. I'm not at all surprised at his attitude, I'd be livid.
As others have stated , this allied to Barcelona ,and a senior management that is fawning over " Boy Blunder " must be almost impossible to stomach.
He is giving his all , so close to achieving an historical racing drivers dream , only to be let down by a so called professional crew...At the moment they are acting like a bunch of half wit amateurs.
Fortunately he has the talent and determination to overcome this devastating setback, and I'm certain it won't be too long before we are seeing that huge toothy grin on the top step once more
freddytin said:
patmahe said:
LDN said:
freddytin said:
mollytherocker said:
Great race.
Danny Rics wrath is strangely out of character. Yes, the team cocked up but he got 2nd.
I have never seen him act like that before. Strange.
Yep, don't understand his attitude at all. What a miserable git. Danny Rics wrath is strangely out of character. Yes, the team cocked up but he got 2nd.
I have never seen him act like that before. Strange.
He's done everything perfectly all weekend, his car definitely has the pace, he delivers in qualifying and in the race lap after lap in tough conditions and then the team screws up and it all falls apart. Second would be a nice reward if they had been struggling for pace, but they really should have won that at a canter. I'm not at all surprised at his attitude, I'd be livid.
As others have stated , this allied to Barcelona ,and a senior management that is fawning over " Boy Blunder " must be almost impossible to stomach.
He is giving his all , so close to achieving an historical racing drivers dream , only to be let down by a so called professional crew...At the moment they are acting like a bunch of half wit amateurs.
Fortunately he has the talent and determination to overcome this devastating setback, and I'm certain it won't be too long before we are seeing that huge toothy grin on the top step once more
NJK44 said:
If I was ricciardo I would've done a Senna and disappeared.
He would have picked up a massive fine and possibly a race ban - or worse. Unlike Senna in 1988, Ricciardo finished the race - in 2nd place - and so had a contractual obligation to appear on the podium.He wasn't obliged to smile, of course
Sam All said:
VolvoT5 said:
I feel sorry for Ricciardo but I don't think he is covering himself in glory by publicly b
hing about the team and claiming he was 'screwed' and doesn't know 'how to move on from here' and so on. Pretty much all the best drivers have been screwed by team error at some point in their career.... unfortunately for DR it happened twice in a row but he really just has to get his head down and get on with it. Red Bull are making big progress and DR should surely be focused on the future possibilities rather than the fk up at Monaco.
Using the podium to express his negatives thoughts not at all smart. Should have smiled - he knows how to. hing about the team and claiming he was 'screwed' and doesn't know 'how to move on from here' and so on. Pretty much all the best drivers have been screwed by team error at some point in their career.... unfortunately for DR it happened twice in a row but he really just has to get his head down and get on with it. Red Bull are making big progress and DR should surely be focused on the future possibilities rather than the fk up at Monaco. The choice of words was a little odd too; it's ambiguous and we will all disagree but "screwed" easily implies something more than mere accident IMHO. DR is a canny operator and has the smarts and had the time to choose his words more carefully than some on here are suggesting. I think he wants us to think something underhand is going on at RB. I can't see it myself- in spain the shot at a win only came about due to unforeseeable circumstance, they started a race planning a fight for 3rd and strategies changed on the fly and reactively, and to even suggest RB wanted anything other than DR on the top step of the podium this weekend is ridiculous. My dept of tin foil hat in my brain is telling me maybe the team decided to punish DR for his comments after the last race but thats stretching incredulity slightly.
personally I'd say it was the most cringey thing I've seen a driver say since hamiltons "is it cos I is black".
Eric Mc said:
He would have picked up a massive fine and possibly a race ban - or worse. Unlike Senna in 1988, Ricciardo finished the race - in 2nd place - and so had a contractual obligation to appear on the podium.
He wasn't obliged to smile, of course
I can't imagine how angry Bernie would be at having an empty podium at Monaco.He wasn't obliged to smile, of course
The words "bringing the sport into disrepute" would spring to mind...
I'd missed this somehow previously, but it appears Rosberg and Ricciardo were on used slicks for their final stint, which might go in some way towards explaining why Rosberg's tyres were finished at the end and Ricciardo too faded away after lap 73...also the Haas and Manor drivers who took on Ultra Softs were able to do a similar stint length to Hamilton.
Vaud said:
Eric Mc said:
He would have picked up a massive fine and possibly a race ban - or worse. Unlike Senna in 1988, Ricciardo finished the race - in 2nd place - and so had a contractual obligation to appear on the podium.
He wasn't obliged to smile, of course
I can't imagine how angry Bernie would be at having an empty podium at Monaco.He wasn't obliged to smile, of course
The words "bringing the sport into disrepute" would spring to mind...
Eric Mc said:
He would have picked up a massive fine and possibly a race ban - or worse. Unlike Senna in 1988, Ricciardo finished the race - in 2nd place - and so had a contractual obligation to appear on the podium.
He wasn't obliged to smile, of course
It's a shame that the stewards penalise people for sneezing these days! He wasn't obliged to smile, of course
Great race but I am rapidly going off Lewis... thanks god ( #blessed ) for the win and claims he prayed for it, and then gives some 3rd rate singer the champagne before he gives it to the team.
Oh and wearing glasses when he doesn't need them? What next? A beige hearing aid and an arm sling all in the name of fashion.
Oh and wearing glasses when he doesn't need them? What next? A beige hearing aid and an arm sling all in the name of fashion.
Edited by gmaz on Monday 30th May 16:38
Boring_Chris said:
People forget what racing drivers, or what any competitive athlete, are actually made of. And how their brains are wired and operating over the course of a competitive event.
If you're upset that Hamilton, or Ricciardo, might look a little glum or forlorn after 'losing' a race, I'd wager that you're not a particularly competitive spirit yourself. Which is absolutely OK! But if you're logging onto the PH forums to have a good big old rant about it, you should probably at least be aware that you're commenting on something you don't fully understand.
I bet Ricciardo's trailer looks like Budd's out of Kill Bill Vol 2 by now
PH is pretty amusing. People complain about racers not being characters and always towing the company line, yet if someone shows emotion they're overreacting... Plus whenever any driver gets screwed because of the team then they should never respond with bad emotions and just be happy. The fact it happens with EVERY racer shows why they are professional F1 drivers and a lot of the people commenting are not! Hamilton has done it, Vettel has done it, Ricciardo has done it, Webber has done it, Schumacher has done it... etc etc!If you're upset that Hamilton, or Ricciardo, might look a little glum or forlorn after 'losing' a race, I'd wager that you're not a particularly competitive spirit yourself. Which is absolutely OK! But if you're logging onto the PH forums to have a good big old rant about it, you should probably at least be aware that you're commenting on something you don't fully understand.
I bet Ricciardo's trailer looks like Budd's out of Kill Bill Vol 2 by now
Clevers said:
Although the pit stop gaff by Red Bull presented the opportunity for Hamilton, you have to say that Hamilton's own driving put him inside the window of opportunity where if something did happen he could win the race, and that is what happened. The range of skills he showed from driving to decision making was sublime - making the wet tyre competitive for 31 laps, the decision to go straight to slicks, bringing in the ultra soft tyres, defensive driving, fast lapping and measuring out the ultra softs to last 47 laps was hugely impressive. He is probably the only driver out there right now who could put all those factors together.
If Aryton Senna had done what Lewis did yesterday, they would be talking about it for decades, but all the haters will remember is that Horner screwed up Ricciardo's pit stop.
Nonsense! As someone who generally wants Hamilton to win (but not one to overlook his mistakes) he did as much as he could, but he still would have been miles off Ricciardo if it wasn't for the Red Bull error. Not only did Ricciardo lose a huge amount of time in the pit stop, but he would have been off into the distance if he had been able to pass Hamilton. Only the reason it was Monaco and passing is almost impossible stopped him overtaking Hamilton. Obviously Hamilton did well in decision making and race craft, but it really was the Red Bull pit stop error that stopped DR taking an dominant win.If Aryton Senna had done what Lewis did yesterday, they would be talking about it for decades, but all the haters will remember is that Horner screwed up Ricciardo's pit stop.
gmaz said:
Great race but I am rapidly going off Lewis... thanks god ( #blessed ) for the win and claims he prayed for it, and then gives some 3rd rate singer the champagne before he gives it to the team.
Tony Blair claimed God chose his path in the Iraq war, and thankfully Lewis' involvement with God has been less damaging. Agree about the 3 rate singer.
Brilliant drive regardless
NRS said:
Nonsense! As someone who generally wants Hamilton to win (but not one to overlook his mistakes) he did as much as he could, but he still would have been miles off Ricciardo if it wasn't for the Red Bull error. Not only did Ricciardo lose a huge amount of time in the pit stop, but he would have been off into the distance if he had been able to pass Hamilton. Only the reason it was Monaco and passing is almost impossible stopped him overtaking Hamilton. Obviously Hamilton did well in decision making and race craft, but it really was the Red Bull pit stop error that stopped DR taking an dominant win.
The point I make is that Hamilton put himself in the window to profit if something went wrong, which it did. That was, in itself, quite a skill because he did something completely different from anyone else to get there. So, not nonsense at all.I agree that otherwise the race was DR's to win and really he was robbed.
Clevers said:
The point I make is that Hamilton put himself in the window to profit if something went wrong, which it did. That was, in itself, quite a skill because he did something completely different from anyone else to get there. So, not nonsense at all.
I agree that otherwise the race was DR's to win and really he was robbed.
My "nonsense" part was the talking about it for decades if it was Senna. He would have been at least 5 seconds out if things had gone smoothly, if not more (I guess someone can work out the time more accurately). So he did what was needed, but it was pure luck that it paid off in regards to Red Bull messing up. He did well, but it wasn't a legendary performance. I agree that otherwise the race was DR's to win and really he was robbed.
It was also consistent with decisions we have seen over previous years, but he should have lost the place to Ricciardo if the rule about gaining an advantage by going off the track is applied to the lead car (which it never is). Not the block after, which was fine, but that he was able to cut the corner and thus not slow down as much and so could be in the position to do the block rather than have DR alongside him and thus stopping him do the block.
Clevers said:
A really gripping and pulsating race. The skills on show from Hamilton and Ricciardo were absolutely mind blowing. Ron Dennis is living in La-La if he thinks Alonso is quicker than those two. Danny looks ready to mount a WDC challenge if the car continues to improve.
Gut wrenching for Ricciardo, particularly as it happened straight after Barcelona where his team deliberately manufactured a win for Max Verstappen just because they had an opportunity to break a record. No wonder Danny spat the dummy on the podium as that was a monumental error at the pit stop. I thought it was very funny that the little twerp Horner didn't come out and show his media face as usual. They obviously don't like Aussies at Red Bull.
Although the pit stop gaff by Red Bull presented the opportunity for Hamilton, you have to say that Hamilton's own driving put him inside the window of opportunity where if something did happen he could win the race, and that is what happened. The range of skills he showed from driving to decision making was sublime - making the wet tyre competitive for 31 laps, the decision to go straight to slicks, bringing in the ultra soft tyres, defensive driving, fast lapping and measuring out the ultra softs to last 47 laps was hugely impressive. He is probably the only driver out there right now who could put all those factors together.
If Aryton Senna had done what Lewis did yesterday, they would be talking about it for decades, but all the haters will remember is that Horner screwed up Ricciardo's pit stop.
Agreed. Good summary.Gut wrenching for Ricciardo, particularly as it happened straight after Barcelona where his team deliberately manufactured a win for Max Verstappen just because they had an opportunity to break a record. No wonder Danny spat the dummy on the podium as that was a monumental error at the pit stop. I thought it was very funny that the little twerp Horner didn't come out and show his media face as usual. They obviously don't like Aussies at Red Bull.
Although the pit stop gaff by Red Bull presented the opportunity for Hamilton, you have to say that Hamilton's own driving put him inside the window of opportunity where if something did happen he could win the race, and that is what happened. The range of skills he showed from driving to decision making was sublime - making the wet tyre competitive for 31 laps, the decision to go straight to slicks, bringing in the ultra soft tyres, defensive driving, fast lapping and measuring out the ultra softs to last 47 laps was hugely impressive. He is probably the only driver out there right now who could put all those factors together.
If Aryton Senna had done what Lewis did yesterday, they would be talking about it for decades, but all the haters will remember is that Horner screwed up Ricciardo's pit stop.
NJK44 said:
It's a shame that the stewards penalise people for sneezing these days!
But not St Kimi, it seems.Lewis gets reprimand for reversing in the pit lane, under direction of a marshal, and gets reprimand. Kimi crawls into tunnel shedding Carbon everywhere and get a finger waived at him.
Dr Z said:
Looking at the lap times, Ricciardo's first pit stop to get Inters was 25.1s. The second one for slicks was 35.3s. It is fair assume that he lost 10.2s to Hamilton in the second stop, being stationary with no wheels. Minus the pit times from their respective in-laps, Ricciardo's in-lap was 2.5s faster than Hamilton's. So in theory, Ricciardo would have been around 12.5s ahead of Hamilton when he comes out on fresh Super Softs if all had gone well, not including Hamilton's out-lap.
But Hamilton's out-lap was a 41.8, compared to a 30.6 he did the next lap, so he lost around 11 seconds to Ricciardo on his out-lap! One off track excursion by Hamilton was briefly shown I think? Ricciardo's out-lap was a 33.9, so in sum he would have been around 19 seconds ahead of Hamilton at the start of his final stint on the slicks. It must have been particularly galling for Ricciardo to learn that he couldn't even capitalise on his rival's mistakes owing to the incompetence of his team.
Thanks for explaining this. But Hamilton's out-lap was a 41.8, compared to a 30.6 he did the next lap, so he lost around 11 seconds to Ricciardo on his out-lap! One off track excursion by Hamilton was briefly shown I think? Ricciardo's out-lap was a 33.9, so in sum he would have been around 19 seconds ahead of Hamilton at the start of his final stint on the slicks. It must have been particularly galling for Ricciardo to learn that he couldn't even capitalise on his rival's mistakes owing to the incompetence of his team.
Edited by Dr Z on Monday 30th May 13:02
I had assumed that Lewis had done a normal out-lap and so Danny had somehow managed to do an in-lap 10 seconds quicker. So he should have been nearly 20 secs down the road, had everything gone to plan.
Perhaps C4 did mention it, but you would have thought that at least one talking head at SKY F1 would have explained what DrZ has only now discovered.
Sam All said:
rdjohn said:
But not St Kimi, it seems.
Lewis gets reprimand for reversing in the pit lane, under direction of a marshal, and gets reprimand. Kimi crawls into tunnel shedding Carbon everywhere and get a finger waived at him.
That was reckless of him. Lewis gets reprimand for reversing in the pit lane, under direction of a marshal, and gets reprimand. Kimi crawls into tunnel shedding Carbon everywhere and get a finger waived at him.
VolvoT5 said:
^ Quite a few drivers there managing to make the "ultra soft" tyres last more than half race distance. 
Wehrlein was on an identical strategy to Hamilton. All the power of the Mercedes with half the downforce. I would love to see some of his onboard!rdjohn said:
Thanks for explaining this.
No probs. 
Edited by Dr Z on Monday 30th May 18:01
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