The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
I'm waiting for Renault to come out and criticize RedBull for costing them a certain win and start asking for better organized teams to take their engines.
(I'm not, obviously, but would expect to be hearing a little more from RedBull sharing some credit for their new found competitiveness)
(I'm not, obviously, but would expect to be hearing a little more from RedBull sharing some credit for their new found competitiveness)
Dr Z said:
I'd missed this somehow previously, but it appears Rosberg and Ricciardo were on used slicks for their final stint, which might go in some way towards explaining why Rosberg's tyres were finished at the end and Ricciardo too faded away after lap 73...also the Haas and Manor drivers who took on Ultra Softs were able to do a similar stint length to Hamilton.
Very interesting. They'd run out of new sets presumably, having burned an extra set in qualifying (so Hamilton's Q3 fuel problem ended up helping him out?)Derek Smith said:
I mean, it wasn't as if the rain could have come a lap, maybe two earlier, was it? It is not as if DR might have had problems with a front tyre, is it? It is not as if there might have been a collision just before the two got to the location and perhaps DR pick up a puncture. I mean, that's all but impossible. I mean, it is even possible, although, let's face it, extremely unlikely, that DR's pit stop would take nigh on 14 seconds.
You are well known for having digs at anyone who suggests Hamilton is pretty good at what he does, but - a bit of advice - it is best to pick your ground with care. LOH is spot on here.
Anything could have happened to give LH the win.
Well, no, it couldn't have. Lewis or Ricciardo being in front would not have affected when the rain came, so we know that would not have made a difference. DR is pretty experienced and from how he dealt with Seb we know he can cope with pressure, so it's unlikely he would have made a mistake, and even if he had it probably would have been the same result as Hamilton's mistake. DR would also have had less tyre degradation because of being in front - so it is more likely Hamilton would have had the bigger problems there as the following car. You are well known for having digs at anyone who suggests Hamilton is pretty good at what he does, but - a bit of advice - it is best to pick your ground with care. LOH is spot on here.
Anything could have happened to give LH the win.
Put it this way, how many cars actually passed on pace and not on someone crashing (and sometimes blocking those behind) or during the pit stop window? I can think of Max's race from the back (which was probably in the fastest car of the track passing those who got lapped, sometimes twice by the end), Hamilton on Rosberg (team orders), Rosberg on Alonso but needed to give it back due to taking a shortcut, Hulkenberg on Rosberg at the end when (probably) his tyres fell off... think that is it.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
One thing I will add to the conversation, the lack of team radio this season really takes away from the show I think.
It does make it a better place to be on the forums as people don't go crazy over what a driver says in the heat of the moment, 
However I was really wanting to listen in to (particularly) the Mercs to see who was calling what on strategy - letting Hamilton passed and then the not pitting for the "second" pit - was it Hamilton or Mercedes that called it first?mollytherocker said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
One thing I will add to the conversation, the lack of team radio this season really takes away from the show I think.
I didnt like the engineers telling the drivers how to drive faster, where to brake etc.The daft thing is, they are still talking all the time but we for some reason now no longer hear any of it.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Just watching now
What happened to Nico? Usually goes well here, has the best car and yet came 6th and nearly got lapped by his team mate. Problem? car not set for the wet?
Nico wasn't set for the wet it seems. I was surprised how crap he was too. Basically he didn't have enough feel to push so he lost brake temperature and thus tyre temperature. What happened to Nico? Usually goes well here, has the best car and yet came 6th and nearly got lapped by his team mate. Problem? car not set for the wet?
I really enjoyed the race. Certainly sorted the men from the boys.
As a couple of other posters have said, what on earth was Justin Bieber doing stood by himself next to the podium? That really jarred.
And whilst on the whole I'm a Hamilton fan, I thought him sharing the winner's champagne with a pop brat before sharing it with his team was poor behaviour.
And whilst on the whole I'm a Hamilton fan, I thought him sharing the winner's champagne with a pop brat before sharing it with his team was poor behaviour.
Clevers said:
OK, understood and agreed, except the bit about pure luck......surely the old sporting cliche applies here about "luck" being the moment when preparation meets opportunity. Hamilton had to put himself in play to benefit and he did that in the way he managed his own race.
I don't think anyone is arguing the Hamilton did a decent job and kept himself in the hunt through hard work and good approach. However, as you said preparation meets opportunity.It was opportunistic. No shame in that at all. He did a neat job given the circumstances. Above average as race wins go.
I think people are just quibbling your statement that it would be treated as legendary had Senna done it. It wasn't even Hamilton's best. You could argue it wasn't even in his top 5.
Vocal Minority said:
Clevers said:
OK, understood and agreed, except the bit about pure luck......surely the old sporting cliche applies here about "luck" being the moment when preparation meets opportunity. Hamilton had to put himself in play to benefit and he did that in the way he managed his own race.
I don't think anyone is arguing the Hamilton did a decent job and kept himself in the hunt through hard work and good approach. However, as you said preparation meets opportunity.It was opportunistic. No shame in that at all. He did a neat job given the circumstances. Above average as race wins go.
I think people are just quibbling your statement that it would be treated as legendary had Senna done it. It wasn't even Hamilton's best. You could argue it wasn't even in his top 5.
When Senna kept Mansell behind for around 3 laps he was praised to the highest for a brilliant drive. Fair enough, the latter had tyres only a couple of, albeit on the limit, laps old. I was a fan of Mansell, but there was no way the drivers were equal on ability.
Sunday, LH drove for ten times as long and kept DR behind him. You could argue, and I'd agree, that DR might not have had the faster car, and that LH could have put in a few fast laps - supported by his ftd on lap 75 or 76. But it was still a remarkable achievement.
LH drove slowly to look after his tyres. He was helped by the track being wet offline. But he still managed to keep ahead of a driver who is probably of the same level. Even when he was pushed into making a mistake, he still managed to keep it on track.
If the positions were reversed, would we have had more attempts at passes? Rhetorical question of course. Cars can follow one another more closely at Monaco without risk to tyre wear and LH would have had a few attempts.
That was a canny race by LH, and one I feel more deserving of praise than Senna's.
Sunday, LH drove for ten times as long and kept DR behind him. You could argue, and I'd agree, that DR might not have had the faster car, and that LH could have put in a few fast laps - supported by his ftd on lap 75 or 76. But it was still a remarkable achievement.
LH drove slowly to look after his tyres. He was helped by the track being wet offline. But he still managed to keep ahead of a driver who is probably of the same level. Even when he was pushed into making a mistake, he still managed to keep it on track.
If the positions were reversed, would we have had more attempts at passes? Rhetorical question of course. Cars can follow one another more closely at Monaco without risk to tyre wear and LH would have had a few attempts.
That was a canny race by LH, and one I feel more deserving of praise than Senna's.
Vocal Minority said:
Above average as race wins go.
I should imagine a race win from the second row in changeable conditions ranging from extreme wet to fully dry, the first win of the season after a seven month winning drought, at your favourite circuit of Monaco, a circuit at which your hero and idol was famously adept, against the odds and under considerable pressure from convincing competition, is far from an average race win experience. But that's just me, I'vd never won a Grand Prix at Monaco personally...
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