The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
NJK44 said:
It WAS a great drive. No doubt about it. Driving on wet tyres on a dry track? Almost impossible. Lewis made that call, and it paid off. This victory also came at the exact right time. With such a poor performance from Nico, the mind games will set in. I feel the momentum swinging.
And you don't have to like Lewis to know how good he is around Canada, with possibly the shortest run into turn 1 on the calendar?
Huh? The times were pretty much the same for the most of it. It was just a few laps near the end that the wet tyres started dropping off in performance. Also the track was not "dry", as you saw during a lot of the race when you went offline. It's normal to pick up a bit of water to stop the wet tyres overheating offline. Also I haven't done detailed number crunching, but I think it saved 2 seconds compared to doing the third pit stop, so was a great decision, but not his best performance IMO.And you don't have to like Lewis to know how good he is around Canada, with possibly the shortest run into turn 1 on the calendar?
It just takes a bad qualifying or a mechanical error (which could mean penalties) and then the momentum swings back quickly. Yes, very much well done Hamilton and he did all he could, but it's just one race and a DNF in the next race could mean a big swing back - so best to not overdo things. Think back a few seasons to the amount of times people posted on here that Hamilton/Rosberg was "mentally destroyed" after a race and yet it came and went in terms of the championship.
NRS said:
Huh? The times were pretty much the same for the most of it. It was just a few laps near the end that the wet tyres started dropping off in performance. Also the track was not "dry", as you saw during a lot of the race when you went offline. It's normal to pick up a bit of water to stop the wet tyres overheating offline. Also I haven't done detailed number crunching, but I think it saved 2 seconds compared to doing the third pit stop, so was a great decision, but not his best performance IMO.
Probably not his best, no, that would be Silverstone '08. But, to look after tyres like he did, and on those ultra softs without anyone really knowing how long they would last, he had all that in his mind whilst navigating Monaco, it's impressive he didn't crash, not that you would expect him to!
I think he would've caught Ricciardo if he'd switched to inters and I also think me would've pulled away on super softs, but we'll never know.
cgt2 said:
I think it's clear that in challenging conditions Hamilton is a cut above Rosberg.
In a qualify on pole and lead from the front race Rosberg is fantastic, but his racecraft is again something that raises questions. The cameras did not really catch it, but it appears Rosberg was outdone by Alonso and Hulkenberg on Sunday.
Rosberg still has an advantage and if he continues to qualify on pole and lead from the front he has a very good chance of winning the title this year, but if, as is likely, Red Bull are really in the mix now, then that will complicate things more for Rosberg in my opinion as he has still not shown a killer instinct in being able to dice (without crashing out). I really struggle to think of any memorable Rosberg overtakes while even his most vocal critics can think of several Hamilton examples. This is why fans enjoy racing, not to watch a procession from the front.
With Hamilton very likely to take penalties later in the year, races which ordinarily would be a lights to flag walkover for Rosberg, I think the balance is still finely poised and Red Bull are likely to be in the mix.
One thing is for sure, if Rosberg cannot win the title this year, with the advantage he has had to this point, then he is unlikely ever to win it.
In a qualify on pole and lead from the front race Rosberg is fantastic, but his racecraft is again something that raises questions. The cameras did not really catch it, but it appears Rosberg was outdone by Alonso and Hulkenberg on Sunday.
Rosberg still has an advantage and if he continues to qualify on pole and lead from the front he has a very good chance of winning the title this year, but if, as is likely, Red Bull are really in the mix now, then that will complicate things more for Rosberg in my opinion as he has still not shown a killer instinct in being able to dice (without crashing out). I really struggle to think of any memorable Rosberg overtakes while even his most vocal critics can think of several Hamilton examples. This is why fans enjoy racing, not to watch a procession from the front.
With Hamilton very likely to take penalties later in the year, races which ordinarily would be a lights to flag walkover for Rosberg, I think the balance is still finely poised and Red Bull are likely to be in the mix.
One thing is for sure, if Rosberg cannot win the title this year, with the advantage he has had to this point, then he is unlikely ever to win it.
HustleRussell said:
How you two have deduced that I think Hamilton’s Monaco was a 'legendary drive', and the man himself the 'second coming', I’ll never know. Certainly I have never said either of those things or anything which could be construed as similar.
You didn't. It was someone else who said that. In fairness Russel I never directed anything at you - I merely responded to your point and included some broader ones in the same scope. (Because to be honest there are some posters where if you say anything other than fawning about Lewis you are jumped on)
Dr Z - to be honest I think there are plenty of people who take a perfectly fine middle ground on Lewis Hamilton. There are just a few people on each side who get very angry when your opinion of their idol/worst enemy doesn't coincide with theirs.
heebeegeetee said:
I thought it was a great drive by LH. Having to do a major job of looking after tyres twice, while having to go as fast as possible to beat a quick rival, having said rival over him like a rash, even when he (LH) went on to slicks which he described as 'like on ice', while blowing a team mate away and all but lapping him, and all while skimming barriers at one of the most challenging of tracks.
The conditions and circumstances were for sorting men from boys and LH and DR were in a different league for me. Top race.
Lewis was faultless and when his opportunity arose he grabbed it with both hands. But Red Bull have to be kicking themselves for throwing it away. Danny would have been quicker driving off circuit and going into KwikFit. The conditions and circumstances were for sorting men from boys and LH and DR were in a different league for me. Top race.
I hold F1 drivers in general in such high regard that to have the descriptor of 'average' against a race win, even when proceeded by the word 'above', and followed by the qualifier of 'as race wins go', just seems to do the driver a disservice even though now I have dissected the comment I know it wasn't supposed to.
On Sunday I feel the current crop of F1 drivers, by and large, demonstrated real class and there must've been several drivers up and down the grid whose performance could be described as 'great', with Hamilton among them IMO.
Frankly I was pretty much awestruck whenever I was shown onboard footage of the race being that Riccardo and Hamilton were the main protagonists but would've probably been similarly awestruck by that of Vettel, Alonso, Perez etc etc.
On Sunday I feel the current crop of F1 drivers, by and large, demonstrated real class and there must've been several drivers up and down the grid whose performance could be described as 'great', with Hamilton among them IMO.
Frankly I was pretty much awestruck whenever I was shown onboard footage of the race being that Riccardo and Hamilton were the main protagonists but would've probably been similarly awestruck by that of Vettel, Alonso, Perez etc etc.
HustleRussell said:
I hold F1 drivers in general in such high regard that to have the descriptor of 'average' against a race win, even when proceeded by the word 'above', and followed by the qualifier of 'as race wins go', just seems to do the driver a disservice even though now I have dissected the comment I know it wasn't supposed to.
On Sunday I feel the current crop of F1 drivers, by and large, demonstrated real class and there must've been several drivers up and down the grid whose performance could be described as 'great', with Hamilton among them IMO.
Frankly I was pretty much awestruck whenever I was shown onboard footage of the race being that Riccardo and Hamilton were the main protagonists but would've probably been similarly awestruck by that of Vettel, Alonso, Perez etc etc.
Everything's relative Russell! I agree average in the vernacular sense maybe insulting. But as Formula One victories go - there is bound to be a broadly 'average' result. From inhereted wins at one end - to mega drives through the field at the other. Logically, there has to be an 'average' standard somewhere? On Sunday I feel the current crop of F1 drivers, by and large, demonstrated real class and there must've been several drivers up and down the grid whose performance could be described as 'great', with Hamilton among them IMO.
Frankly I was pretty much awestruck whenever I was shown onboard footage of the race being that Riccardo and Hamilton were the main protagonists but would've probably been similarly awestruck by that of Vettel, Alonso, Perez etc etc.
I definitely respect every F1 driver - if you can get one of those things round a lap safely, let alone quickly, you are a much better man than me.
It was a decent drive, I just think he's done better!
"Where's the tyres?" - Relive Red Bull's pit stop nightmare
FOM just uploaded this vid of Ric's 2nd pit stop from an angle I hadn't seen before. The crew were ready with Inters which is strange because Ric was already on fairly fresh inters! Don't know what RB were thinking if they wanted to lose 25 seconds to get the same tyres if inters was the plan on the 2nd stop. Surely RB had enough time to react to seeing Hamilton put on slicks in the previous lap to make a call for slicks? A terrible error from RB.
FOM just uploaded this vid of Ric's 2nd pit stop from an angle I hadn't seen before. The crew were ready with Inters which is strange because Ric was already on fairly fresh inters! Don't know what RB were thinking if they wanted to lose 25 seconds to get the same tyres if inters was the plan on the 2nd stop. Surely RB had enough time to react to seeing Hamilton put on slicks in the previous lap to make a call for slicks? A terrible error from RB.
Vaud said:
Now you are just altering stats to suit an argument.
No he isn't... You don't say a footballer has played 6 games this season if he was injured for 2 of them - surely the same applies here? Lewis was not even on the track to compete for 2 poles due to reliability issues so how you can say Rosberg won the battle on those occasions? This is a perfect example of looking at a set of numbers in black and white and saying x is better than y without looking at the mitigating circumstances behind those numbers - You can make numbers tell you anything you like but it's the facts behind those numbers that tell the real story.
Vaud said:
NJK44 said:
It's definitely 3-1. No one is including the qualifying sessions where Lewis had problems.
On a level playing field, no engine problems, it's 3-1. 3-0 really as Lewis had more problems at Monaco.
Now you are just altering stats to suit an argument.On a level playing field, no engine problems, it's 3-1. 3-0 really as Lewis had more problems at Monaco.
hairyben said:
It's fair to say that there's been 3 incident free qualis for merc, and on all of them lewis has taken pole. Nico might have qualified ahead of hamilton when there were various issues with hams car but in terms of comparative form they don't really count for much.
Exactly. And I'll admit it's 3-0 to Nico on starts and pulling away, but with such a short run in at Canada, I think Lewis will keep momentum and win this race and fingers crossed Ricciardo can pip Nico to 2nd. Bring that gap down to 14!Got back from the Monaco Grand Prix in the early hours of Monday morning. Great three and half days of Motorsport (there was free to watch of GP2, Porsche and Formula Renault on the Friday morning).
Amazing to finally be there on a race weekend. Sunny weather until race day, but a bit of rain is no bad thing at Monaco for the race.
Prices were as expected, but nothing you wouldn't pay in London is most of the shops and restaurants. 4-5 Euros for a Baguette, 10-15 Euros for a Pizza etc. Stayed in Nice and got the train in each day, which was 7.80 Euros return and ok bout 20 minutes.
So that's another race ticked off my bucket list. Looking to do Spa next year
I took some photos, which can be found here....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/94169616@N03/albums/7...
Amazing to finally be there on a race weekend. Sunny weather until race day, but a bit of rain is no bad thing at Monaco for the race.
Prices were as expected, but nothing you wouldn't pay in London is most of the shops and restaurants. 4-5 Euros for a Baguette, 10-15 Euros for a Pizza etc. Stayed in Nice and got the train in each day, which was 7.80 Euros return and ok bout 20 minutes.
So that's another race ticked off my bucket list. Looking to do Spa next year
I took some photos, which can be found here....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/94169616@N03/albums/7...
PompeyM3 said:
So that's another race ticked off my bucket list. Looking to do Spa next year
I took some photos, which can be found here....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/94169616@N03/albums/7...
Monaco is definitely one I want todo, I'm looking at doing spa this year I took some photos, which can be found here....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/94169616@N03/albums/7...
Great photos.
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