The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

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Hungrymc

6,642 posts

136 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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swisstoni said:
Er no. His championship winning car didn't work properly yet again and messed him up when he needed it most. Hence glum driver.
What fairy tale berk would act any other way in the circs? Certainly not an F1 driver.
They're just desperately looking for new ways to dislike him.

I think he's been ever so restrained about how poor the reliability and preparation of his car has been.

Hungrymc

6,642 posts

136 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Vaud said:
Schumacher was normally pretty calm and pragmatic IIRC, as was Hakkinen.
I'm not sure either often had to watch their team mate cruise off towards an unchallenged title while they had constant reliability issues? May be wrong though.

I don't think I've seen Lewis be 'not calm' just not happy. Everyone would have predicted hissy fits etc with him being such a petulant child and all. I haven't seen any of that.

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Have to agree with Hungrymc

Vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Hungrymc said:
I'm not sure either often had to watch their team mate cruise off towards an unchallenged title while they had constant reliability issues? May be wrong though.

I don't think I've seen Lewis be 'not calm' just not happy. Everyone would have predicted hissy fits etc with him being such a petulant child and all. I haven't seen any of that.
I'm actually on the other side of the argument - I think he is at peace with himself since his 3rd title, but he can be a bit Mansell at times smile

cgt2

7,093 posts

187 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Hungrymc said:
I don't think I've seen Lewis be 'not calm' just not happy. Everyone would have predicted hissy fits etc with him being such a petulant child and all. I haven't seen any of that.
Indeed, and although Vettel has moments where he is the funniest driver in interviews, he equally does not handle it well when things go wrong. Interesting to contrast Hamilton's relative calm in moments where it appears Mercedes unreliability is denying him the chance of a title with the almighty tantrums Vettel throws when something relatively insignificant goes wrong.

Though I do think his fight with Kvyat in the cool down room was exaggerated as he knew Marchionne was present at the track and was an attempt to try and save face by directing attention.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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When you are quickest it's a risk to do something different to everyone else. I don't see an advantage in starting on yellow tyres. The undercut will be smaller but he will still need to react quickly and have to do a very long stint on the purples. But these Pirelli's are great at going the distance........aren't they?

Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Saturday 28th May 18:23

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Satsuma said:
Hamilton...
look at his face! he is such a miserable child unless things aren't going his way...
Schumacher, Senna, Mansell, Hunt, Vettel, Alonso...world champions all, great drivers all, miserable sods when things weren't going their way.....

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Vaud said:
Schumacher was normally pretty calm and pragmatic IIRC, as was Hakkinen.
No he wasn't! Hakkinen, yes, Schumacher not!

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Well it was an "interesting" quali.

Does anyone know why Lewis went on a sight seeing trip for a few laps in Q3? Was it just waiting for the track evolution? Just wondered if the tyres were a bit borked by the time he actually went for it....


Tony33

1,065 posts

121 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Jasandjules said:
Well it was an "interesting" quali.

Does anyone know why Lewis went on a sight seeing trip for a few laps in Q3? Was it just waiting for the track evolution? Just wondered if the tyres were a bit borked by the time he actually went for it....
Just getting in sync with the traffic to have a traffic free run apparently. Bearing in mind he went out in between the two runs the others did so had a number of cars exiting the pits whilst he was circulating having confirmed the car was ok. Think he was just keeping the tyres up to temp whilst waiting for the right time to go.

AW111

9,455 posts

132 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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swisstoni said:
Er no. His championship winning car didn't work properly yet again and messed him up when he needed it most. Hence glum driver.
What fairy tale berk would act any other way in the circs? Certainly not an F1 driver.
Mark Webber appreciates your sympathy smile.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

227 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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rubystone said:
Vaud said:
Schumacher was normally pretty calm and pragmatic IIRC, as was Hakkinen.
No he wasn't! Hakkinen, yes, Schumacher not!
Yeah he was, see him on the podiums only thrird, still smiling still appreciating what he is doing for a living.

Dr Z

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3,396 posts

170 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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hairyben said:
Dr Z said:
Mega lap from Ricciardo. Very pleased for him. Hamilton was also looking good but Ric was mega in S3.
Both were looking 10/10's, hamilton seemed to lose it in S3, I wonder if it was just ric/RB being better there, or if hamilton made an error, or his tyres were showing their age after his unusual several warmup lamp strat.
Don't think several lap 'warm up' makes much of a difference, if the free practice was anything to go by. The Ultra Soft is not such a fragile tyre, as you might think. If he'd have matched Ricciardo's last sector, he'd have got pole and beaten the record as he was a tenth (?) up in S1/S2 from Ricciardo. The Q3 drama with the car might have dented the confidence a bit I think. Clearly, the fact that he was up on Ricciardo till S3 suggests his car was working well and Ricciardo came out on top for this one.

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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What a lap that was from DR. That is whay F1 should be about. Pushing the limits, taking serious risks, kissing the armco, jumping over the kerbs. Epic stuff.

It was also great to hear him whooping in the car, he knew what an awesome lap it was.

We might have a race on tomorrow....

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Dr Z said:
hairyben said:
Dr Z said:
Mega lap from Ricciardo. Very pleased for him. Hamilton was also looking good but Ric was mega in S3.
Both were looking 10/10's, hamilton seemed to lose it in S3, I wonder if it was just ric/RB being better there, or if hamilton made an error, or his tyres were showing their age after his unusual several warmup lamp strat.
Don't think several lap 'warm up' makes much of a difference, if the free practice was anything to go by. The Ultra Soft is not such a fragile tyre, as you might think. If he'd have matched Ricciardo's last sector, he'd have got pole and beaten the record as he was a tenth (?) up in S1/S2 from Ricciardo. The Q3 drama with the car might have dented the confidence a bit I think. Clearly, the fact that he was up on Ricciardo till S3 suggests his car was working well and Ricciardo came out on top for this one.

But hadn't it been said that the Mercs' front tyres were starting to give up towards the end of their fast laps, so the extra lap or two could have made a difference, and explain the last sector fall off?

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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swisstoni said:
glazbagun said:
HustleRussell said:
I'm not sure that's it, perhaps it's the knowledge that he can and the car can, but so often doesn't due to reliability- while Rosberg appears 'luckier' this season.
Surely someone like Hamilton must have been here many a time in his career by now, though. Look at all those wilderness years he spent with McLaren. There probably isn't a driver on the grid, apart from Rosberg, who wouldn't swap places with him.

Maybe the good years have ruined his perspective or the hedonism is wearing thin and racing is starting to feel like work.
Er no. His championship winning car didn't work properly yet again and messed him up when he needed it most. Hence glum driver.
What fairy tale berk would act any other way in the circs? Certainly not an F1 driver.

Long list of drivers who have taken similar difficulties with a much better attitude. And let's not forget that Rosberg also suffered the same issue today, though I accept it didn't seem to affect his efforts as much.

NJK44

1,364 posts

95 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Satsuma said:
Hamilton...
look at his face! he is such a miserable child unless things aren't going his way...
What do you expect? His team are currently costing him the chance to perform.

Dr Z

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3,396 posts

170 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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REALIST123 said:
Dr Z said:
hairyben said:
Dr Z said:
Mega lap from Ricciardo. Very pleased for him. Hamilton was also looking good but Ric was mega in S3.
Both were looking 10/10's, hamilton seemed to lose it in S3, I wonder if it was just ric/RB being better there, or if hamilton made an error, or his tyres were showing their age after his unusual several warmup lamp strat.
Don't think several lap 'warm up' makes much of a difference, if the free practice was anything to go by. The Ultra Soft is not such a fragile tyre, as you might think. If he'd have matched Ricciardo's last sector, he'd have got pole and beaten the record as he was a tenth (?) up in S1/S2 from Ricciardo. The Q3 drama with the car might have dented the confidence a bit I think. Clearly, the fact that he was up on Ricciardo till S3 suggests his car was working well and Ricciardo came out on top for this one.

But hadn't it been said that the Mercs' front tyres were starting to give up towards the end of their fast laps, so the extra lap or two could have made a difference, and explain the last sector fall off?
Both the Mercs were certainly slower in the last sector, but I'd say the fall off isn't so dramatic that a driver couldn't have made a difference.

These were the sector times:

Driver Sector 1 Sector 2 Sector 3
Ricciardo 19.532 34.693 19.397
Rosberg 19.486 34.699 19.606
Hamilton 19.349 34.778 19.653


By the end of S1/S2 Hamilton was half a tenth up on Rosberg and a tenth up on Ricciardo. Hamilton only lost half a tenth to Rosberg on the final sector--the kind of gap you often see in a clear run, so I'm less inclined to believe the tyres going away in S3 explanation.

deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Hungrymc said:
I think he's been ever so restrained about how poor the reliability and preparation of his car has been.
Have you seen what he gets paid? I daresay he opens his mouth to decry Merc and he's out the door pronto.

NRS

22,079 posts

200 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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REALIST123 said:

Long list of drivers who have taken similar difficulties with a much better attitude. And let's not forget that Rosberg also suffered the same issue today, though I accept it didn't seem to affect his efforts as much.
Efforts as much... as in he just went out slightly later and got two runs in compared to Hamilton's one run? While he is leading the championship?

Whatever you may think of Hamilton it is pretty strange how you get some people saying he is miserable lots of the time, and then another group of people saying he is much more settled in himself after the past 2 championships and perhaps he is not as motivated this season... Same person, yet two contrasting interpretations of him.

AW111 said:
swisstoni said:
Er no. His championship winning car didn't work properly yet again and messed him up when he needed it most. Hence glum driver.
What fairy tale berk would act any other way in the circs? Certainly not an F1 driver.
Mark Webber appreciates your sympathy smile.
Like this for example?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLNMDrQ_56U

All drivers are up and down. A lot of the time it depends on what they expect to happen compared to what happens, and once they have time to adjust their exceptions they become "nicer". Take Alonso - last season complaining lots, and yet although the car is nowhere near where they want he is complaining a lot less. IMO this is because he now knows where it should be, but it takes time to get the head there. Today Hamilton knew he had to get pole to get his championship started, and yet it ended up a problem where he didn't know if he could go, and then had to do it all in one lap with no banker like the others had. Would you really be happy if you were him?