The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

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Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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rubystone said:
Vaud said:
Schumacher was normally pretty calm and pragmatic IIRC, as was Hakkinen.
No he wasn't! Hakkinen, yes, Schumacher not!
Hakkinen? I seem to remember tears.

I've not heard LH rubbishing the car or criticising the team for lack of reliability. That said, after what the car gave him for two seasons, he'd have a bit of a cheek.

I'm one of those wondering where this superb chassis let down by the engine that the McLaren was supposed to be, has got to.

Why am I so gullible as to have believed it? It's not as if it is the first time.

I can see a problem at the first corner regardless of what LH says. If DR moves over to block NR . . .

That said, I'm not going to watch it live despite being in premises with Sky Sports. I'll wait for the highlights.


vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Just catching up, what's the latest conspiracy theory as to why Hamilton is not on pole?

Dr Z

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3,396 posts

170 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Just watching C4 highlights, Hamilton just denied that Rosberg had the same problem as him as the team has said. Interesting.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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As much as I dislike Hamilton, he has been very restrained in his criticism of Mercedes so far this year; ok, so he is constrained in that he can't openly tear into his team for their sloppy preparation / components running right on the edge of reliability. I'm not suggesting a conspiracy, but Hamilton's car looks like a Friday afternoon job and it has held him back from properly racing Rosberg at nearly every turn, I'm not surprised he is feeling dejected.

Max V. was looking pretty scrappy out there, I was surprised he stacked it so early, the slo-mo shot of the snapped track rod flapping as the car piled into the barrier about was pretty impressive.

Great result for Ricciardo, very happy for him. McLaren's talk of an amazing chassis that would shine through seems to have been a smoke screen, their car is looking very average now.

Hungrymc

6,642 posts

136 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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deadslow said:
Hungrymc said:
I think he's been ever so restrained about how poor the reliability and preparation of his car has been.
Have you seen what he gets paid? I daresay he opens his mouth to decry Merc and he's out the door pronto.
Maybe so. But as I said, to hear the way some talk on here you'd imagine he's hurling criticism and abuse around, which he clearly isn't so now the argument changes from 'he's behaving like a spoiled child' to 'he's not complaining because he wants the money'. You can't really have it both ways. I think the issue is that many are expecting the ranting and can't believe that it isn't happening, they then get all excited if he 'looks a bit grumpy' as it's the most they're going to get .. Which is ridiculous isn't it.

I also think he's made enough money to have a lovely life if he never earns another penny, and could command an ample contract at any of the teams. The frustration is evidence that his motivation is taking wins and world titles not the money. Your argument would make a lot more sense if you'd said he wants to take titles so is desperate not to upset the manufacturer of the best package at present. But once again, that doesn't make him sound like enough of a tosser does it.


mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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vonuber said:
Just catching up, what's the latest conspiracy theory as to why Hamilton is not on pole?
Its 'cos he is black', did you not know? biggrin

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Am I the only one who thinks Ted's Notebook is quite hilarious? Amazed at how many of the "right" people will just happily chat to him.

swisstoni

16,850 posts

278 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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He's not good with girls is he? hehe

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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LDN said:
Remind me why red bull have Aston Martin badges showing...
They are building a new road going Hypercar together.

NJK44

1,364 posts

95 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Dr Z said:
Just watching C4 highlights, Hamilton just denied that Rosberg had the same problem as him as the team has said. Interesting.
I hope this isn't true, but seriously f**k Mercedes if it is.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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NJK44 said:
Dr Z said:
Just watching C4 highlights, Hamilton just denied that Rosberg had the same problem as him as the team has said. Interesting.
I hope this isn't true, but seriously f**k Mercedes if it is.
I'm assuming that Hamilton was simply unaware at the time he was asked.

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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NJK44 said:
Dr Z said:
Just watching C4 highlights, Hamilton just denied that Rosberg had the same problem as him as the team has said. Interesting.
I hope this isn't true, but seriously f**k Mercedes if it is.
That's not really what he said at all. He said it didn't look to him like Nico had the same problem. This was in the driver's pen straight after qually so he wouldn't have been able to debrief with the team yet at that point to make an informed comment on the state of Nico's car.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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NJK44 said:
I hope this isn't true, but seriously f**k Mercedes if it is.
Give it a rest.

LDN

8,905 posts

202 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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I'll tell you what confuses me... Vettel barks over the radio that the car is worse than before... LH doesn't say a word but we have pages discussing his petulance and stating he's a cry baby. Pistonheads; lunacy matters.

At this stage of the season; I'd be fking fuming if I were Lewis; he's not even had a fighting chance most of the year and he's most certainly been a lot more restrained than almost any driver on the grid. I remember when Button had a car go wrong a couple times in the row; he wasn't light and smiles.

People on this forum are very odd. Very odd indeed.

As for the race... COME ON DR!!!

swisstoni

16,850 posts

278 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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LDN said:
I'll tell you what confuses me... Vettel barks over the radio that the car is worse than before... LH doesn't say a word but we have pages discussing his petulance and stating he's a cry baby. Pistonheads; lunacy matters.

At this stage of the season; I'd be fking fuming if I were Lewis; he's not even had a fighting chance most of the year and he's most certainly been a lot more restrained than almost any driver on the grid. I remember when Button had a car go wrong a couple times in the row; he wasn't light and smiles.

People on this forum are very odd. Very odd indeed.

As for the race... COME ON DR!!!
He's the most talented British driver for years, who got to where he is on pure talent, not money or connections.
He doesn't insist on No.1 status and just wants a level playing field.

You've got to hate someone like that surely?

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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swisstoni said:
He's the most talented British driver for years, who got to where he is on pure talent, not money or connections.
He doesn't insist on No.1 status and just wants a level playing field.

You've got to hate someone like that surely?
I really hate the way he will always go for an overtake too. And do his talking on track. What a t**t....... I mean, who wants to watch someone driving it like they stole it......

As to Ted, at least he gave her directions.... And I think Markus seems to quite like chatting to him...

NJK44

1,364 posts

95 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Mastodon2 said:
Give it a rest.
If I want to moan about a 'professional' team who keep f**king up left right and centre, I will.

coetzeeh

2,641 posts

235 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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swisstoni said:
He's the most talented British driver for years, who got to where he is on pure talent, not money or connections.
are you having a giraffe? biggrin

I'd say he got where he is because of pure talent, money and connections. LH clearly showed talent from a very young age and then benefitted from the kind of support dreams are made of.

Can't help to think something went wrong when Merc turned the volume up for Q3 and both cars suffered the same issue.

Inch perfect drive from DR - hope he does the job tomorrow.

Max had his piles pushed back today - hello earth.

Dr Z

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3,396 posts

170 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Dr Z said:
REALIST123 said:
Dr Z said:
hairyben said:
Dr Z said:
Mega lap from Ricciardo. Very pleased for him. Hamilton was also looking good but Ric was mega in S3.
Both were looking 10/10's, hamilton seemed to lose it in S3, I wonder if it was just ric/RB being better there, or if hamilton made an error, or his tyres were showing their age after his unusual several warmup lamp strat.
Don't think several lap 'warm up' makes much of a difference, if the free practice was anything to go by. The Ultra Soft is not such a fragile tyre, as you might think. If he'd have matched Ricciardo's last sector, he'd have got pole and beaten the record as he was a tenth (?) up in S1/S2 from Ricciardo. The Q3 drama with the car might have dented the confidence a bit I think. Clearly, the fact that he was up on Ricciardo till S3 suggests his car was working well and Ricciardo came out on top for this one.

But hadn't it been said that the Mercs' front tyres were starting to give up towards the end of their fast laps, so the extra lap or two could have made a difference, and explain the last sector fall off?
Both the Mercs were certainly slower in the last sector, but I'd say the fall off isn't so dramatic that a driver couldn't have made a difference.

These were the sector times:

Driver Sector 1 Sector 2 Sector 3
Ricciardo 19.532 34.693 19.397
Rosberg 19.486 34.699 19.606
Hamilton 19.349 34.778 19.653


By the end of S1/S2 Hamilton was half a tenth up on Rosberg and a tenth up on Ricciardo. Hamilton only lost half a tenth to Rosberg on the final sector--the kind of gap you often see in a clear run, so I'm less inclined to believe the tyres going away in S3 explanation.
I have to correct myself here...the above sector times were the best registered for each driver throughout qualifying, not necessarily from the last Q3 run, as the sector times don't add up to the Q3 time for Hamilton (but do for Ric and Ros). It is therefore quite probable that the multiple laps Hamilton did before his Q3 run might have hampered him. However, his best ever final sector is not far away from Rosberg with a clear run, so I'd be inclined to say that's the best the car could do in that sector.

May be he could have pulled it out of the bag, who knows? If he had got pole though after all the Q3 stuff, it would have gone down as one of his greatest performances.

slipstream 1985

12,127 posts

178 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Jasandjules said:
swisstoni said:
He's the most talented British driver for years, who got to where he is on pure talent, not money or connections.
He doesn't insist on No.1 status and just wants a level playing field.

You've got to hate someone like that surely?
I really hate the way he will always go for an overtake too. And do his talking on track. What a t**t....... I mean, who wants to watch someone driving it like they stole it......

As to Ted, at least he gave her directions.... And I think Markus seems to quite like chatting to him...
Yep previously in motorsport our world champions were total liabilities at times.
Colin mcrae and carl fogarty both pottential win it or bin it specialists.