The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
Dr Z said:
I'm willing to bet a large sum that had the roles been reversed, Hamilton would never have moved over. Can't remember the race, but I remember one such situation last year when he would not let Rosberg past.
But, it was good to see Mercedes racing for the win as a team. Reminded me of Red Bull in the last race.
He wouldn't slow down to let rosberg past. Rosberg was ~2 secs back and demanding to be let past, and hamiltons argument was "if he comes past me I'll let him through but I'm not slowing down" as it transpired at the end of the race there were a few secs in it and it was the right decision (for hamilton)But, it was good to see Mercedes racing for the win as a team. Reminded me of Red Bull in the last race.
You should only be demanding a pass if you're that close to your team-mate the team are terrified you'll both end in the wall, as was ham on ros today.
hairyben said:
Dr Z said:
And that squeeze by Hamilton definitely riled. I wish Ricciardo had kept up the pressure all way to the end.
I thought it was hard but not unfair... the usual sobbing ham-bashers are rushing to compare it to spain but it's not like ham himself complained much about that was it?Hard move but also pretty opportunistic from ric I thought, given ham was struggling sightly on undertemp tyres and had the line, he hasn't that much to complain about.
great race from both and I wouldn't have complained at a ric win, but what he said after was a little disappointing I felt. I'll grant him the obvs massive disappointment when he had the speed to win but pretty poor form to out his team on the podium like that, especially after handling the pressure of the race so very well.
Dr Z said:
Yes, it wasn't unfair but right on the limit for me. It annoyed me, that's all. Sure, it's not comparable to Spain, but grass vs wall? I would have preferred a little bit more margin given to Ricciardo.
But not beyond it. ric had the faster car and hamiltons strat had to be keep him behind for 40laps at all costs - if he'd shown any polite towards ric today the aussie anthem would have been playing, for sure.you think senna or schumacher or prost etc etc would have given him any more margin in the circumstance?
Nice race. Just finished watching it.
I should have taken those odds someone was quote for Max DNF. I have to admit, I'm pessimistic about him, we may get to the end of the season and think, meh.
I wouldn't be surprised if Palmer gets cut before the end of the year.
Sauber, oh dear.
McLaren, is that their first double points finish with Honda. On paper it looks good, but they weren't really close on track.
Ricci, get over it. Keep sticking your bottom lip out like that and you'll lose the support and respect of the team.
I should have taken those odds someone was quote for Max DNF. I have to admit, I'm pessimistic about him, we may get to the end of the season and think, meh.
I wouldn't be surprised if Palmer gets cut before the end of the year.
Sauber, oh dear.
McLaren, is that their first double points finish with Honda. On paper it looks good, but they weren't really close on track.
Ricci, get over it. Keep sticking your bottom lip out like that and you'll lose the support and respect of the team.
suffolk009 said:
Nice race. Just finished watching it.
I should have taken those odds someone was quote for Max DNF. I have to admit, I'm pessimistic about him, we may get to the end of the season and think, meh.
I wouldn't be surprised if Palmer gets cut before the end of the year.
Sauber, oh dear.
McLaren, is that their first double points finish with Honda. On paper it looks good, but they weren't really close on track.
Ricci, get over it. Keep sticking your bottom lip out like that and you'll lose the support and respect of the team.
True that, great for mclaren and great job by alonso keeping ros and all behind him for so long to take the 5th.I should have taken those odds someone was quote for Max DNF. I have to admit, I'm pessimistic about him, we may get to the end of the season and think, meh.
I wouldn't be surprised if Palmer gets cut before the end of the year.
Sauber, oh dear.
McLaren, is that their first double points finish with Honda. On paper it looks good, but they weren't really close on track.
Ricci, get over it. Keep sticking your bottom lip out like that and you'll lose the support and respect of the team.
Max - TBF he's missed a lot of learning curve, the process, the racecraft that GP2 and all the lower formula teach drivers, for all his talent the speed of promotion could still be his undoing.
hairyben said:
Great race from both and I wouldn't have complained at a ric win, but what he said after was a little disappointing I felt. I'll grant him the obvs massive disappointment when he had the speed to win but pretty poor form to out his team on the podium like that, especially after handling the pressure of the race so very well.
Yeah I was a bit saddened by that. By all means I expected him to be taking heads off behind closed doors, but to publicly slate your own team after one dubious decision and one obvious screw-up didn't look good- making up wild conspiracy theories is supposed to be the fans job! 
Especially compared to the Merc drivers who are usually at pains to avoid finger pointing (at the team at least), with Merc happy ho hold their hands up.Might be a corporate culture thing, or maybe just an emotional driver.
hairyben said:
Dr Z said:
I'm willing to bet a large sum that had the roles been reversed, Hamilton would never have moved over. Can't remember the race, but I remember one such situation last year when he would not let Rosberg past.
But, it was good to see Mercedes racing for the win as a team. Reminded me of Red Bull in the last race.
He wouldn't slow down to let rosberg past. Rosberg was ~2 secs back and demanding to be let past, and hamiltons argument was "if he comes past me I'll let him through but I'm not slowing down" as it transpired at the end of the race there were a few secs in it and it was the right decision (for hamilton)But, it was good to see Mercedes racing for the win as a team. Reminded me of Red Bull in the last race.
You should only be demanding a pass if you're that close to your team-mate the team are terrified you'll both end in the wall, as was ham on ros today.
As I said, I can't remember what race it was.
Mr_Thyroid said:
Boring_Chris said:
Hamilton is the fastest man on this circuit. Nobody can dispute that.
Actually it's very easy to dispute - 9 attempts, 1 pole, 1 win (nearly 2 wins of course with last year's safety car debacle, but luck had something to do with the win in 2008).Because of Senna, Hamilton really really wants to believe and for everyone else to believe he's the quickest in Monaco but I am yet to be convinced.
LOL
LOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Boring_Chris said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Boring_Chris said:
Hamilton is the fastest man on this circuit. Nobody can dispute that.
Actually it's very easy to dispute - 9 attempts, 1 pole, 1 win (nearly 2 wins of course with last year's safety car debacle, but luck had something to do with the win in 2008).Because of Senna, Hamilton really really wants to believe and for everyone else to believe he's the quickest in Monaco but I am yet to be convinced.
LOL
LOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
He won because Ricciardo got screwed. Evens out last year I guess (in terms of Hamilton's wins at Monaco).
To be clear - I like Hamilton, I want him to win but I do not agree the assertion that he is indisputably the best at Monaco.
Dr Z said:
Yes, it wasn't unfair but right on the limit for me. It annoyed me, that's all.
I'm sorry, but what planet are you on?!It was a beautiful piece of driving that was entirely legal, leaving more than enough room between him and the wall. Yes, it was aggressive, however it was a great racing move. I can't see why that'd annoy you - if anything it should be commended and be the sort of racing we all want to see - close and exciting racing with drivers pushed to the limit (but not beyond it).
hairyben said:
Max - TBF he's missed a lot of learning curve, the process, the racecraft that GP2 and all the lower formula teach drivers, for all his talent the speed of promotion could still be his undoing.
Nah. All Raikkonen's years of experience didn't help him keep it out the wall and Vettel almost made exactly the same mistake as Verstappen. Race craft usually refers to a driver's ability to race wheel to wheel an Max continues to demonstrate that he has that in abundance.Someone referred to him as Max Wallstuffin which I liked.
Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff