The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
numtumfutunch said:
What happened exactly to Rosberg?
Ive skimmed the thread but found no convincing explanation - the BBC website has a quote from Toto saying he couldnt generate heat in his tyres but thats it
Any more to it as I doubt hed have ended up in 7th unless he had mechanicals?
In his interview he said he was baffled and said he had no confidence in the tyres and struggled all day.Ive skimmed the thread but found no convincing explanation - the BBC website has a quote from Toto saying he couldnt generate heat in his tyres but thats it
Any more to it as I doubt hed have ended up in 7th unless he had mechanicals?
I've read claims he had engine trouble, but he didn't say that, neither did Toto that I saw. Croft was saying something about a brake issue at one point but then said they were okay, again no-one else mentioned it.
I think he was just struggling with the conditions to be honest, maybe the car wasn't set up quite as he'd like for them?
Either way, I'm sure he will be determined to get back on top in Canada. It'll be interesting if Ferrari can sort themselves out for that.
One other thing - where was Horner ? Sky suggested he was avoiding them, they got a quick couple of minutes to talk to Marko, mostly about the boy wonder and that was it.
I thought Ricciardo's comments on the podium were telling "I've been screwed two races in a row"...
This one was incompetence, Spain ? not so sure. Problem is I don't think he's got much chance of a Ferrari ride, even if Kimi did quit (which I doubt) I reckon Vettel will veto. His only chance I reckon is Merc if Rosberg hasn't re-signed (as rumoured).
Superb drive for Sergio, I think he's improved since Mclaren days but it would seem they completely mishandled him as a driver.
Mr_Thyroid said:
Boring_Chris said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Boring_Chris said:
Hamilton is the fastest man on this circuit. Nobody can dispute that.
Actually it's very easy to dispute - 9 attempts, 1 pole, 1 win (nearly 2 wins of course with last year's safety car debacle, but luck had something to do with the win in 2008).Because of Senna, Hamilton really really wants to believe and for everyone else to believe he's the quickest in Monaco but I am yet to be convinced.
LOL
LOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
He won because Ricciardo got screwed. Evens out last year I guess (in terms of Hamilton's wins at Monaco).
To be clear - I like Hamilton, I want him to win but I do not agree the assertion that he is indisputably the best at Monaco.
If Daniel had kept his foot in ala Lewis then they would've crashed, Lewis was confident of this so he kept coming across even though the Redbull had the right to more room had Daniel kept his foot in I kind of hope Lewis would have taken the squeeze off but it's all speculation as it didn't so that's it.
Great race by Perez
Great race by Perez
suffolk009 said:
Nice race. Just finished watching it.
McLaren, is that their first double points finish with Honda. On paper it looks good, but they weren't really close on track.
They had a double points finish 2 races ago in Russia.McLaren, is that their first double points finish with Honda. On paper it looks good, but they weren't really close on track.
suffolk009 said:
Nice race. Just finished watching it.
Ricci, get over it. Keep sticking your bottom lip out like that and you'll lose the support and respect of the team.
He'd just finished a gruelling 2 hour race at in Monaco which he was set to win but for an team error. He's a human being, not a robot. He'll be back beaming as usual in no time.Ricci, get over it. Keep sticking your bottom lip out like that and you'll lose the support and respect of the team.
The Moose said:
Dr Z said:
Yes, it wasn't unfair but right on the limit for me. It annoyed me, that's all.
I'm sorry, but what planet are you on?!It was a beautiful piece of driving that was entirely legal, leaving more than enough room between him and the wall. Yes, it was aggressive, however it was a great racing move. I can't see why that'd annoy you - if anything it should be commended and be the sort of racing we all want to see - close and exciting racing with drivers pushed to the limit (but not beyond it).
Do I need racing credentials to express a subjective emotion too?
Ric had this to say in the Press Conference:
Q: (Livio Oricchio – GloboEsporte.com) To Lewis and Daniel. I would like to hear the point of view at each one of you about what happened at the exit of the chicane, when you Daniel tried to overtake Lewis – because Lewis cut the chicane.
DR: From my side, I made a… well I didn’t make a move into the chicane because Lewis defended – but I forced him into defence and by doing so he had a mistake and cut across the chicane, so I came on the radio and said “what’s going to happen here?” Because, yeah, made a mistake and then stayed in the lead. Obviously it was a chance to maybe get the lead for me. So yeah, sure, I questioned it. If he was on his own and made the mistake, fair enough, but obviously he made the mistake through defence and through the battle, so yeah, I’m not sure if they investigated it or not.
ETA: Lewis' response:
Q: They did investigate it, they decided no further action to be taken, during the race. Your side of the story Lewis?
LH: Hard to remember exactly. I think I remember that point. I think I got stuck behind a backmarker or something like that. Got poor traction out of Eight, and Daniel was all over me, so I had to be on the inside line for Turn Ten, I think it was, and being on the inside, it’s a bit more damp than being on the dry line, so locked-up and just missed. I was aware I wasn’t going to make the full turn and as I did I went off onto the wet patch, with Daniel on the dry track, and coming out I was just on ice. Wet tyres basically, so I was wheel-spinning and sliding on the exit. By the time I’d gained traction, I realised Daniel was kinda… I was ahead but Daniel was right-side of my mirrors, behind my right-rear tyre, so I knew it was close. I don’t feel that I particularly gained an advantage.
Edited by Dr Z on Sunday 29th May 19:41
Boring_Chris said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Boring_Chris said:
Hamilton is the fastest man on this circuit. Nobody can dispute that.
Actually it's very easy to dispute - 9 attempts, 1 pole, 1 win (nearly 2 wins of course with last year's safety car debacle, but luck had something to do with the win in 2008).Because of Senna, Hamilton really really wants to believe and for everyone else to believe he's the quickest in Monaco but I am yet to be convinced.
LOL
LOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Dr Z said:
The Moose said:
Dr Z said:
Yes, it wasn't unfair but right on the limit for me. It annoyed me, that's all.
I'm sorry, but what planet are you on?!It was a beautiful piece of driving that was entirely legal, leaving more than enough room between him and the wall. Yes, it was aggressive, however it was a great racing move. I can't see why that'd annoy you - if anything it should be commended and be the sort of racing we all want to see - close and exciting racing with drivers pushed to the limit (but not beyond it).
Do I need racing credentials to express a subjective emotion too?
Ric had this to say in the Press Conference:
Q: (Livio Oricchio – GloboEsporte.com) To Lewis and Daniel. I would like to hear the point of view at each one of you about what happened at the exit of the chicane, when you Daniel tried to overtake Lewis – because Lewis cut the chicane.
DR: From my side, I made a… well I didn’t make a move into the chicane because Lewis defended – but I forced him into defence and by doing so he had a mistake and cut across the chicane, so I came on the radio and said “what’s going to happen here?” Because, yeah, made a mistake and then stayed in the lead. Obviously it was a chance to maybe get the lead for me. So yeah, sure, I questioned it. If he was on his own and made the mistake, fair enough, but obviously he made the mistake through defence and through the battle, so yeah, I’m not sure if they investigated it or not.
Oh, and where did I say you needed 'racing credentials to express a subjective emotion'?
NM62 said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Boring_Chris said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Boring_Chris said:
Hamilton is the fastest man on this circuit. Nobody can dispute that.
Actually it's very easy to dispute - 9 attempts, 1 pole, 1 win (nearly 2 wins of course with last year's safety car debacle, but luck had something to do with the win in 2008).Because of Senna, Hamilton really really wants to believe and for everyone else to believe he's the quickest in Monaco but I am yet to be convinced.
LOL
LOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
He won because Ricciardo got screwed. Evens out last year I guess (in terms of Hamilton's wins at Monaco).
To be clear - I like Hamilton, I want him to win but I do not agree the assertion that he is indisputably the best at Monaco.
The Moose said:
Dr Z said:
The Moose said:
Dr Z said:
Yes, it wasn't unfair but right on the limit for me. It annoyed me, that's all.
I'm sorry, but what planet are you on?!It was a beautiful piece of driving that was entirely legal, leaving more than enough room between him and the wall. Yes, it was aggressive, however it was a great racing move. I can't see why that'd annoy you - if anything it should be commended and be the sort of racing we all want to see - close and exciting racing with drivers pushed to the limit (but not beyond it).
Do I need racing credentials to express a subjective emotion too?
Ric had this to say in the Press Conference:
Q: (Livio Oricchio – GloboEsporte.com) To Lewis and Daniel. I would like to hear the point of view at each one of you about what happened at the exit of the chicane, when you Daniel tried to overtake Lewis – because Lewis cut the chicane.
DR: From my side, I made a… well I didn’t make a move into the chicane because Lewis defended – but I forced him into defence and by doing so he had a mistake and cut across the chicane, so I came on the radio and said “what’s going to happen here?” Because, yeah, made a mistake and then stayed in the lead. Obviously it was a chance to maybe get the lead for me. So yeah, sure, I questioned it. If he was on his own and made the mistake, fair enough, but obviously he made the mistake through defence and through the battle, so yeah, I’m not sure if they investigated it or not.
Oh, and where did I say you needed 'racing credentials to express a subjective emotion'?
As to the racing credentials, it seems in PH only real life racers are allowed to have an opinion on racing incidents like this. Again, it was an emotion, not an assessment of the aesthetic quality of the driving on display from both the drivers.
Dr Z said:
The Moose said:
Dr Z said:
The Moose said:
Dr Z said:
Yes, it wasn't unfair but right on the limit for me. It annoyed me, that's all.
I'm sorry, but what planet are you on?!It was a beautiful piece of driving that was entirely legal, leaving more than enough room between him and the wall. Yes, it was aggressive, however it was a great racing move. I can't see why that'd annoy you - if anything it should be commended and be the sort of racing we all want to see - close and exciting racing with drivers pushed to the limit (but not beyond it).
Do I need racing credentials to express a subjective emotion too?
Ric had this to say in the Press Conference:
Q: (Livio Oricchio – GloboEsporte.com) To Lewis and Daniel. I would like to hear the point of view at each one of you about what happened at the exit of the chicane, when you Daniel tried to overtake Lewis – because Lewis cut the chicane.
DR: From my side, I made a… well I didn’t make a move into the chicane because Lewis defended – but I forced him into defence and by doing so he had a mistake and cut across the chicane, so I came on the radio and said “what’s going to happen here?” Because, yeah, made a mistake and then stayed in the lead. Obviously it was a chance to maybe get the lead for me. So yeah, sure, I questioned it. If he was on his own and made the mistake, fair enough, but obviously he made the mistake through defence and through the battle, so yeah, I’m not sure if they investigated it or not.
Oh, and where did I say you needed 'racing credentials to express a subjective emotion'?
As to the racing credentials, it seems in PH only real life racers are allowed to have an opinion on racing incidents like this. Again, it was an emotion, not an assessment of the aesthetic quality of the driving on display from both the drivers.
I don't think it matters where one's allegiance lies, it was an exciting few corners and as F1 fans, that's what we should all be looking forward to enjoying.
Crafty_ said:
Ricciardo's move ended because he lost the back end on the damp at the edge of the track. Lewis was in his right to defend and did so according to the rules.
Lewis just watched the replay on C4..."Yeah that was alright, there was a cars width there"
DR got a wobble on a wet bit.
The Moose said:
My response didn't suggest anything even remotely along the lines of having to be a racing driver to comment on such incidents (and I wouldn't).
I don't think it matters where one's allegiance lies, it was an exciting few corners and as F1 fans, that's what we should all be looking forward to enjoying.
Yes, it was exciting and I enjoyed it. I don't think it matters where one's allegiance lies, it was an exciting few corners and as F1 fans, that's what we should all be looking forward to enjoying.
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