The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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cgt2 said:
Although he won last year, Rosberg was demolished by Hamilton at Monaco before the balls up (he only closed up due to safety car) and the situation was only going to be exacerbated in mixed conditions today.
I must say I haven't seen it anywhere yet but the VSC worked splendidly here. Short race "nullifying" to quickly deal with an issue rather than all the nonsense, half a dozen wasted racing laps, tears and drama of the SC process, we had a terrifically exciting race where the two fighting for the win both deserved it. did the FIA actually get something right for a change?LDN said:
freddytin said:
mollytherocker said:
Great race.
Danny Rics wrath is strangely out of character. Yes, the team cocked up but he got 2nd.
I have never seen him act like that before. Strange.
Yep, don't understand his attitude at all. What a miserable git. Danny Rics wrath is strangely out of character. Yes, the team cocked up but he got 2nd.
I have never seen him act like that before. Strange.
hora said:
His face on the podium.
Yeah mate, plenty of racers had mistakes made by the team. Maybe he's under pressure now? Newbie comes in and wins the previous race...worried that he won't be seen as team number one..
Fortunately young Max spent his weekend getting intimate with the armco eh Yeah mate, plenty of racers had mistakes made by the team. Maybe he's under pressure now? Newbie comes in and wins the previous race...worried that he won't be seen as team number one..
LDN said:
freddytin said:
mollytherocker said:
Great race.
Danny Rics wrath is strangely out of character. Yes, the team cocked up but he got 2nd.
I have never seen him act like that before. Strange.
Yep, don't understand his attitude at all. What a miserable git. Danny Rics wrath is strangely out of character. Yes, the team cocked up but he got 2nd.
I have never seen him act like that before. Strange.
He's done everything perfectly all weekend, his car definitely has the pace, he delivers in qualifying and in the race lap after lap in tough conditions and then the team screws up and it all falls apart. Second would be a nice reward if they had been struggling for pace, but they really should have won that at a canter. I'm not at all surprised at his attitude, I'd be livid.
patmahe said:
Seriously? He is a Formula 1 racing driver, he's worked bloody hard to get there, winning is everything to them, he's driving in an era of Mercedes dominance but has a sniff of a chance to beat them on merit for once and at Monaco, the race every driver wants to win at least once.
He's done everything perfectly all weekend, his car definitely has the pace, he delivers in qualifying and in the race lap after lap in tough conditions and then the team screws up and it all falls apart. Second would be a nice reward if they had been struggling for pace, but they really should have won that at a canter. I'm not at all surprised at his attitude, I'd be livid.
Pwned by a sublimely smiling Brit too. Poor DR he's destined to be the same as WebberHe's done everything perfectly all weekend, his car definitely has the pace, he delivers in qualifying and in the race lap after lap in tough conditions and then the team screws up and it all falls apart. Second would be a nice reward if they had been struggling for pace, but they really should have won that at a canter. I'm not at all surprised at his attitude, I'd be livid.
People forget what racing drivers, or what any competitive athlete, are actually made of. And how their brains are wired and operating over the course of a competitive event.
If you're upset that Hamilton, or Ricciardo, might look a little glum or forlorn after 'losing' a race, I'd wager that you're not a particularly competitive spirit yourself. Which is absolutely OK! But if you're logging onto the PH forums to have a good big old rant about it, you should probably at least be aware that you're commenting on something you don't fully understand.
I bet Ricciardo's trailer looks like Budd's out of Kill Bill Vol 2 by now
If you're upset that Hamilton, or Ricciardo, might look a little glum or forlorn after 'losing' a race, I'd wager that you're not a particularly competitive spirit yourself. Which is absolutely OK! But if you're logging onto the PH forums to have a good big old rant about it, you should probably at least be aware that you're commenting on something you don't fully understand.
I bet Ricciardo's trailer looks like Budd's out of Kill Bill Vol 2 by now
hora said:
patmahe said:
Seriously? He is a Formula 1 racing driver, he's worked bloody hard to get there, winning is everything to them, he's driving in an era of Mercedes dominance but has a sniff of a chance to beat them on merit for once and at Monaco, the race every driver wants to win at least once.
He's done everything perfectly all weekend, his car definitely has the pace, he delivers in qualifying and in the race lap after lap in tough conditions and then the team screws up and it all falls apart. Second would be a nice reward if they had been struggling for pace, but they really should have won that at a canter. I'm not at all surprised at his attitude, I'd be livid.
Pwned by a sublimely smiling Brit too. Poor DR he's destined to be the same as WebberHe's done everything perfectly all weekend, his car definitely has the pace, he delivers in qualifying and in the race lap after lap in tough conditions and then the team screws up and it all falls apart. Second would be a nice reward if they had been struggling for pace, but they really should have won that at a canter. I'm not at all surprised at his attitude, I'd be livid.
Webber was a great Formula 1 driver. Ricciardo is better. And I'd say Hamilton's only equal in outright terms (one lap + consistency + race craft)
A really gripping and pulsating race. The skills on show from Hamilton and Ricciardo were absolutely mind blowing. Ron Dennis is living in La-La if he thinks Alonso is quicker than those two. Danny looks ready to mount a WDC challenge if the car continues to improve.
Gut wrenching for Ricciardo, particularly as it happened straight after Barcelona where his team deliberately manufactured a win for Max Verstappen just because they had an opportunity to break a record. No wonder Danny spat the dummy on the podium as that was a monumental error at the pit stop. I thought it was very funny that the little twerp Horner didn't come out and show his media face as usual. They obviously don't like Aussies at Red Bull.
Although the pit stop gaff by Red Bull presented the opportunity for Hamilton, you have to say that Hamilton's own driving put him inside the window of opportunity where if something did happen he could win the race, and that is what happened. The range of skills he showed from driving to decision making was sublime - making the wet tyre competitive for 31 laps, the decision to go straight to slicks, bringing in the ultra soft tyres, defensive driving, fast lapping and measuring out the ultra softs to last 47 laps was hugely impressive. He is probably the only driver out there right now who could put all those factors together.
If Aryton Senna had done what Lewis did yesterday, they would be talking about it for decades, but all the haters will remember is that Horner screwed up Ricciardo's pit stop.
Gut wrenching for Ricciardo, particularly as it happened straight after Barcelona where his team deliberately manufactured a win for Max Verstappen just because they had an opportunity to break a record. No wonder Danny spat the dummy on the podium as that was a monumental error at the pit stop. I thought it was very funny that the little twerp Horner didn't come out and show his media face as usual. They obviously don't like Aussies at Red Bull.
Although the pit stop gaff by Red Bull presented the opportunity for Hamilton, you have to say that Hamilton's own driving put him inside the window of opportunity where if something did happen he could win the race, and that is what happened. The range of skills he showed from driving to decision making was sublime - making the wet tyre competitive for 31 laps, the decision to go straight to slicks, bringing in the ultra soft tyres, defensive driving, fast lapping and measuring out the ultra softs to last 47 laps was hugely impressive. He is probably the only driver out there right now who could put all those factors together.
If Aryton Senna had done what Lewis did yesterday, they would be talking about it for decades, but all the haters will remember is that Horner screwed up Ricciardo's pit stop.
Boring_Chris said:
The only similarity here is that they're both Australian? (and driving for Red Bull)
Webber was a great Formula 1 driver. Ricciardo is better. And I'd say Hamilton's only equal in outright terms (one lap + consistency + race craft)
I liked the way that Lewis paid tribute DR's race craft on the podium. Let's hope that it is the first of many close-encounters. I agree that at this moment they represent the cream of consummate racersWebber was a great Formula 1 driver. Ricciardo is better. And I'd say Hamilton's only equal in outright terms (one lap + consistency + race craft)
NJK44 said:
Just saw that Kyvat blamed Magnusson for the crash.. At this rate, kyvats career in F1 will be over.
It's one thing to make a mistake, completely another to keep making the same mistake and something else when you refuse to accept that it was your mistake. Until he starts taking a close, honest look at his actions he will never learn and he'll keep doing it.
Z3MCJez said:
Dr Z said:
I would love to see the onboard of Hamilton's outlap on the Ultra Softs. He was 11 seconds slower than his next lap while Ricciardo was busy losing 9 seconds to Hamilton whilst in the pits...it seems both Red Bull and Hamilton were competing on not winning the race at that point!
I made this point earlier. I would love to see that gap properly broken down into Ricc going faster, Lewis going slowly and time not stationery in the pit lane.Jez
But Hamilton's out-lap was a 41.8, compared to a 30.6 he did the next lap, so he lost around 11 seconds to Ricciardo on his out-lap! One off track excursion by Hamilton was briefly shown I think? Ricciardo's out-lap was a 33.9, so in sum he would have been around 19 seconds ahead of Hamilton at the start of his final stint on the slicks. It must have been particularly galling for Ricciardo to learn that he couldn't even capitalise on his rival's mistakes owing to the incompetence of his team.
Edited by Dr Z on Monday 30th May 13:02
I feel sorry for Ricciardo but I don't think he is covering himself in glory by publicly b
hing about the team and claiming he was 'screwed' and doesn't know 'how to move on from here' and so on. Pretty much all the best drivers have been screwed by team error at some point in their career.... unfortunately for DR it happened twice in a row but he really just has to get his head down and get on with it. Red Bull are making big progress and DR should surely be focused on the future possibilities rather than the fk up at Monaco.
hing about the team and claiming he was 'screwed' and doesn't know 'how to move on from here' and so on. Pretty much all the best drivers have been screwed by team error at some point in their career.... unfortunately for DR it happened twice in a row but he really just has to get his head down and get on with it. Red Bull are making big progress and DR should surely be focused on the future possibilities rather than the fk up at Monaco. VolvoT5 said:
I feel sorry for Ricciardo but I don't think he is covering himself in glory by publicly bhing about the team and claiming he was 'screwed' and doesn't know 'how to move on from here' and so on. Pretty much all the best drivers have been screwed by team error at some point in their career.... unfortunately for DR it happened twice in a row but he really just has to get his head down and get on with it. Red Bull are making big progress and DR should surely be focused on the future possibilities rather than the fk up at Monaco.
Using the podium to express his negatives thoughts not at all smart. Should have smiled - he knows how to. hing about the team and claiming he was 'screwed' and doesn't know 'how to move on from here' and so on. Pretty much all the best drivers have been screwed by team error at some point in their career.... unfortunately for DR it happened twice in a row but he really just has to get his head down and get on with it. Red Bull are making big progress and DR should surely be focused on the future possibilities rather than the fk up at Monaco. It will be really interesting to see how Rosberg bounces back from this race. We all know that a huge part of the battle is the mental war that goes on between drivers and with themselves. Rosberg has been mentally in front all season but having to move over for his rival and then finishing a lowly 7th almost being lapped by him is going to do some damage to his confidence, he has seen his lead go from a comfortable 43 points to not even a race win in the space of 2 hours.
He needs to win in Canada to regain control as we have all seen what happens when Lewis gets momentum behind him which he will now have, Canada is one of Hamiltons best tracks so Rosberg will be hard pushed to beat him there but it would be a crushing blow to Hamilton mentally if he did.
The big problem for the season though is the inevitable penalties Hamilton is going to incur for extra engine parts, from his perspective he needs to quickly eliminate the gap to Rosberg and then open up as big a gap as possible of his own in the points because he is going to end up with at least 1 but probably 2 races in the future where he has to take grid penalties.
Also, note my post on page 20 where I recommended people putting money on Verstappen to retire! Writing was on the wall as soon as he binned it in Qualifying, I was gutted he wasn't first retirement as that was 18/1 but still made a bit out of him not finishing.
He needs to win in Canada to regain control as we have all seen what happens when Lewis gets momentum behind him which he will now have, Canada is one of Hamiltons best tracks so Rosberg will be hard pushed to beat him there but it would be a crushing blow to Hamilton mentally if he did.
The big problem for the season though is the inevitable penalties Hamilton is going to incur for extra engine parts, from his perspective he needs to quickly eliminate the gap to Rosberg and then open up as big a gap as possible of his own in the points because he is going to end up with at least 1 but probably 2 races in the future where he has to take grid penalties.
Also, note my post on page 20 where I recommended people putting money on Verstappen to retire! Writing was on the wall as soon as he binned it in Qualifying, I was gutted he wasn't first retirement as that was 18/1 but still made a bit out of him not finishing.
Edited by tyranical on Monday 30th May 15:16
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