The Official 2016 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
Clevers said:
A really gripping and pulsating race. The skills on show from Hamilton and Ricciardo were absolutely mind blowing. Ron Dennis is living in La-La if he thinks Alonso is quicker than those two. Danny looks ready to mount a WDC challenge if the car continues to improve.
Gut wrenching for Ricciardo, particularly as it happened straight after Barcelona where his team deliberately manufactured a win for Max Verstappen just because they had an opportunity to break a record. No wonder Danny spat the dummy on the podium as that was a monumental error at the pit stop. I thought it was very funny that the little twerp Horner didn't come out and show his media face as usual. They obviously don't like Aussies at Red Bull.
Although the pit stop gaff by Red Bull presented the opportunity for Hamilton, you have to say that Hamilton's own driving put him inside the window of opportunity where if something did happen he could win the race, and that is what happened. The range of skills he showed from driving to decision making was sublime - making the wet tyre competitive for 31 laps, the decision to go straight to slicks, bringing in the ultra soft tyres, defensive driving, fast lapping and measuring out the ultra softs to last 47 laps was hugely impressive. He is probably the only driver out there right now who could put all those factors together.
If Aryton Senna had done what Lewis did yesterday, they would be talking about it for decades, but all the haters will remember is that Horner screwed up Ricciardo's pit stop.
Agreed. Good summary.Gut wrenching for Ricciardo, particularly as it happened straight after Barcelona where his team deliberately manufactured a win for Max Verstappen just because they had an opportunity to break a record. No wonder Danny spat the dummy on the podium as that was a monumental error at the pit stop. I thought it was very funny that the little twerp Horner didn't come out and show his media face as usual. They obviously don't like Aussies at Red Bull.
Although the pit stop gaff by Red Bull presented the opportunity for Hamilton, you have to say that Hamilton's own driving put him inside the window of opportunity where if something did happen he could win the race, and that is what happened. The range of skills he showed from driving to decision making was sublime - making the wet tyre competitive for 31 laps, the decision to go straight to slicks, bringing in the ultra soft tyres, defensive driving, fast lapping and measuring out the ultra softs to last 47 laps was hugely impressive. He is probably the only driver out there right now who could put all those factors together.
If Aryton Senna had done what Lewis did yesterday, they would be talking about it for decades, but all the haters will remember is that Horner screwed up Ricciardo's pit stop.
rdjohn said:
Thanks for explaining this. 
I had assumed that Lewis had done a normal out-lap and so Danny had somehow managed to do an in-lap 10 seconds quicker. So he should have been nearly 20 secs down the road, had everything gone to plan.
Perhaps C4 did mention it, but you would have thought that at least one talking head at SKY F1 would have explained what DrZ has only now discovered.
20 seconds only if events unravelled consecutively rather than concurrently ...& RBR were always going to pit the following lap to avoid any undercut I had assumed that Lewis had done a normal out-lap and so Danny had somehow managed to do an in-lap 10 seconds quicker. So he should have been nearly 20 secs down the road, had everything gone to plan.
Perhaps C4 did mention it, but you would have thought that at least one talking head at SKY F1 would have explained what DrZ has only now discovered.
NRS said:
My "nonsense" part was the talking about it for decades if it was Senna. He would have been at least 5 seconds out if things had gone smoothly, if not more (I guess someone can work out the time more accurately). So he did what was needed, but it was pure luck that it paid off in regards to Red Bull messing up. He did well, but it wasn't a legendary performance.
It was also consistent with decisions we have seen over previous years, but he should have lost the place to Ricciardo if the rule about gaining an advantage by going off the track is applied to the lead car (which it never is). Not the block after, which was fine, but that he was able to cut the corner and thus not slow down as much and so could be in the position to do the block rather than have DR alongside him and thus stopping him do the block.
OK, understood and agreed, except the bit about pure luck......surely the old sporting cliche applies here about "luck" being the moment when preparation meets opportunity. Hamilton had to put himself in play to benefit and he did that in the way he managed his own race. It was also consistent with decisions we have seen over previous years, but he should have lost the place to Ricciardo if the rule about gaining an advantage by going off the track is applied to the lead car (which it never is). Not the block after, which was fine, but that he was able to cut the corner and thus not slow down as much and so could be in the position to do the block rather than have DR alongside him and thus stopping him do the block.
Some Gump said:
Interesting race. Gutted for Danny ric, and love that Ham effectively removed his right to moan about the previous weekend. If DR had kept his toe in, they'd both have DNF'ed.
My thoughts too. Hamilton was all over the place coming out of that corner and Ric would have sailed past had the door not been slammed shut. Fair enough, racing incident but yet he managed not to take the pair of them out. Could have kept his foot in and assumed the space would be there. DKL said:
My thoughts too. Hamilton was all over the place coming out of that corner and Ric would have sailed past had the door not been slammed shut. Fair enough, racing incident but yet he managed not to take the pair of them out. Could have kept his foot in and assumed the space would be there.
I really think you should watch it again. Firstly LH was on the line that DR would have expected, no erratic dive to the other side of the track. Secondly, LH left a cars width plus. Not a huge amount more, he certainly made it tight, but he left enough room. If you're contrasting to the NR incident, you have to recognize these differences.What I think you've really missed is that because that part of the track was dirty and wet, DR lost traction and spun up his rear wheels quite badly, that's when he lifted out of the throttle and not because the door was closed. Don't get me wrong, it would have been very tight and may well have resulted in contact, but he didn't lift off because the gap wasn't there, it was because he'd spun his wheels and gone quite sideways.
A very hard pass to complete even with a cars width of space due to the condition of the track and there only being one line with any grip at all. In the dry, DR would have been through.
DKL said:
My thoughts too. Hamilton was all over the place coming out of that corner and Ric would have sailed past had the door not been slammed shut. Fair enough, racing incident but yet he managed not to take the pair of them out. Could have kept his foot in and assumed the space would be there.
Think you want to check the footage and check just how much room was left..... Enough for a car... Which is impressive in Monaco before you start.... I've just looked at most of the race again as I tend to miss a few things in real time.
It was a great drive by LH. Or rather, Merc gave him a good chance to win and he made the best of it.
Going via the comparative lap times that were being posted, LH took it slowly (for him) from the time DR emerged from the pits behind him. That DR closed so quickly was not, I think, a factor of the tyres but his tactic of trying to get the ultras to last until the end. That they did so quite easily is no reflection on him or the team as they were the great unknown. It took a certain bravery to opt for them (I felt that super softs were the better option, and am not convinced I was wrong) given their behaviour in qually and with DR likely to drop into the pits the lap after LH.
I said it was a terrific race for FI and Perez, and want to reinforce that, but he was lapping faster than LH for much of the time. So I think LH was coasting as well as keeping DR behind him. Not an easy thing to do, even at Monaco.
He made a couple of minor errors but managed them.
I wonder what had been said in RB after the last race. This might be the reason that DR was a bit miffed. He might have been told it will all change. His comments were a bit off but I reckon the team will be obliged to forgive him. Had the pit stop gone well, reasonably or even not too badly, he'd probably have won or ended up with a collision with LH.
This race puts a fair bit of pressure on Nico. His drive was desultory, but through no fault of the machine. It was all down to him it would appear. I feel certain that if there had been a fault with 'fuel pressure' again, it would have been mentioned. The comments post race are revealing I think.
Via Wolff:
“. . . we decided to call it because the [Rosberg’s] pace was just so much slower."
Rosberg said: "They gave me a warning, 'try and up the pace', and I wasn't able to.
Hamilton said, in a statement that seems full of barbed digs:
"I thought Nico had a problem. I knew when I was behind him that I was much, much quicker than him. I was also conscious that none of us are going to win this race if I am stuck behind. When the team ask you to push and you are not able to and it is hindering the team's chance of winning we have that agreement. I said thanks for being a gentleman."
7th place for NR means that he is less that a win in front of LH.
It was a great drive by LH. Or rather, Merc gave him a good chance to win and he made the best of it.
Going via the comparative lap times that were being posted, LH took it slowly (for him) from the time DR emerged from the pits behind him. That DR closed so quickly was not, I think, a factor of the tyres but his tactic of trying to get the ultras to last until the end. That they did so quite easily is no reflection on him or the team as they were the great unknown. It took a certain bravery to opt for them (I felt that super softs were the better option, and am not convinced I was wrong) given their behaviour in qually and with DR likely to drop into the pits the lap after LH.
I said it was a terrific race for FI and Perez, and want to reinforce that, but he was lapping faster than LH for much of the time. So I think LH was coasting as well as keeping DR behind him. Not an easy thing to do, even at Monaco.
He made a couple of minor errors but managed them.
I wonder what had been said in RB after the last race. This might be the reason that DR was a bit miffed. He might have been told it will all change. His comments were a bit off but I reckon the team will be obliged to forgive him. Had the pit stop gone well, reasonably or even not too badly, he'd probably have won or ended up with a collision with LH.
This race puts a fair bit of pressure on Nico. His drive was desultory, but through no fault of the machine. It was all down to him it would appear. I feel certain that if there had been a fault with 'fuel pressure' again, it would have been mentioned. The comments post race are revealing I think.
Via Wolff:
“. . . we decided to call it because the [Rosberg’s] pace was just so much slower."
Rosberg said: "They gave me a warning, 'try and up the pace', and I wasn't able to.
Hamilton said, in a statement that seems full of barbed digs:
"I thought Nico had a problem. I knew when I was behind him that I was much, much quicker than him. I was also conscious that none of us are going to win this race if I am stuck behind. When the team ask you to push and you are not able to and it is hindering the team's chance of winning we have that agreement. I said thanks for being a gentleman."
7th place for NR means that he is less that a win in front of LH.
I don't see the barbed digs Derek, that quote is pretty factual.
Nico admitted to being slow and unable to keep pace and must have been able to see Lewis was all over him but a combination of the track and (imho) a desire not to end up clashing with each other meant that a dive in to a corner wasn't really going to happen. He was told to get on with it and couldn't, at that point there's only one "right" thing to do.
Compare to the Ericsson/Nasr situation.
Nico admitted to being slow and unable to keep pace and must have been able to see Lewis was all over him but a combination of the track and (imho) a desire not to end up clashing with each other meant that a dive in to a corner wasn't really going to happen. He was told to get on with it and couldn't, at that point there's only one "right" thing to do.
Compare to the Ericsson/Nasr situation.
Derek Smith said:
I've just looked at most of the race again as I tend to miss a few things in real time.
It was a great drive by LH. Or rather, Merc gave him a good chance to win and he made the best of it.
Going via the comparative lap times that were being posted, LH took it slowly (for him) from the time DR emerged from the pits behind him. That DR closed so quickly was not, I think, a factor of the tyres but his tactic of trying to get the ultras to last until the end. That they did so quite easily is no reflection on him or the team as they were the great unknown. It took a certain bravery to opt for them (I felt that super softs were the better option, and am not convinced I was wrong) given their behaviour in qually and with DR likely to drop into the pits the lap after LH.
I said it was a terrific race for FI and Perez, and want to reinforce that, but he was lapping faster than LH for much of the time. So I think LH was coasting as well as keeping DR behind him. Not an easy thing to do, even at Monaco.
He made a couple of minor errors but managed them.
I wonder what had been said in RB after the last race. This might be the reason that DR was a bit miffed. He might have been told it will all change. His comments were a bit off but I reckon the team will be obliged to forgive him. Had the pit stop gone well, reasonably or even not too badly, he'd probably have won or ended up with a collision with LH.
This race puts a fair bit of pressure on Nico. His drive was desultory, but through no fault of the machine. It was all down to him it would appear. I feel certain that if there had been a fault with 'fuel pressure' again, it would have been mentioned. The comments post race are revealing I think.
Via Wolff:
“. . . we decided to call it because the [Rosberg’s] pace was just so much slower."
Rosberg said: "They gave me a warning, 'try and up the pace', and I wasn't able to.
Hamilton said, in a statement that seems full of barbed digs:
"I thought Nico had a problem. I knew when I was behind him that I was much, much quicker than him. I was also conscious that none of us are going to win this race if I am stuck behind. When the team ask you to push and you are not able to and it is hindering the team's chance of winning we have that agreement. I said thanks for being a gentleman."
7th place for NR means that he is less that a win in front of LH.
As usual, agree with most of what you say DS. One thing I should point out is Lewis' Ultra Softs being an unknown, perhaps in these conditions they were but every one knows they are simply last years Super-Softs don't they?It was a great drive by LH. Or rather, Merc gave him a good chance to win and he made the best of it.
Going via the comparative lap times that were being posted, LH took it slowly (for him) from the time DR emerged from the pits behind him. That DR closed so quickly was not, I think, a factor of the tyres but his tactic of trying to get the ultras to last until the end. That they did so quite easily is no reflection on him or the team as they were the great unknown. It took a certain bravery to opt for them (I felt that super softs were the better option, and am not convinced I was wrong) given their behaviour in qually and with DR likely to drop into the pits the lap after LH.
I said it was a terrific race for FI and Perez, and want to reinforce that, but he was lapping faster than LH for much of the time. So I think LH was coasting as well as keeping DR behind him. Not an easy thing to do, even at Monaco.
He made a couple of minor errors but managed them.
I wonder what had been said in RB after the last race. This might be the reason that DR was a bit miffed. He might have been told it will all change. His comments were a bit off but I reckon the team will be obliged to forgive him. Had the pit stop gone well, reasonably or even not too badly, he'd probably have won or ended up with a collision with LH.
This race puts a fair bit of pressure on Nico. His drive was desultory, but through no fault of the machine. It was all down to him it would appear. I feel certain that if there had been a fault with 'fuel pressure' again, it would have been mentioned. The comments post race are revealing I think.
Via Wolff:
“. . . we decided to call it because the [Rosberg’s] pace was just so much slower."
Rosberg said: "They gave me a warning, 'try and up the pace', and I wasn't able to.
Hamilton said, in a statement that seems full of barbed digs:
"I thought Nico had a problem. I knew when I was behind him that I was much, much quicker than him. I was also conscious that none of us are going to win this race if I am stuck behind. When the team ask you to push and you are not able to and it is hindering the team's chance of winning we have that agreement. I said thanks for being a gentleman."
7th place for NR means that he is less that a win in front of LH.
A couple of things I will say about the haters commenting on Lewis' good fortune over the Red Bull mix up, think of this......
Lewis' Ultras were brand new, he saved the set over from Saturday as we know. It's not unfathomable that he could have closed the gap to DR from second place should that mix up have not happened. It's OK to say at Monaco you can't pass but in changing conditions anything could have happened.
I also thought his post race interview and comments about DR were heart-felt and honest. He know's what it feels like to have the premier GP snatched away from you and I thought it was a nice gesture to acknowledge DR sterling work throughout the weekend.
I'm just gutted we stayed at home this year while family and friends enjoyed an epic Monaco GP live!
Dr Z said:
Looking at the lap times, Ricciardo's first pit stop to get Inters was 25.1s. The second one for slicks was 35.3s. It is fair assume that he lost 10.2s to Hamilton in the second stop, being stationary with no wheels. Minus the pit times from their respective in-laps, Ricciardo's in-lap was 2.5s faster than Hamilton's. So in theory, Ricciardo would have been around 12.5s ahead of Hamilton when he comes out on fresh Super Softs if all had gone well, not including Hamilton's out-lap.
But Hamilton's out-lap was a 41.8, compared to a 30.6 he did the next lap, so he lost around 11 seconds to Ricciardo on his out-lap! One off track excursion by Hamilton was briefly shown I think? Ricciardo's out-lap was a 33.9, so in sum he would have been around 19 seconds ahead of Hamilton at the start of his final stint on the slicks. It must have been particularly galling for Ricciardo to learn that he couldn't even capitalise on his rival's mistakes owing to the incompetence of his team.
Really helpful - thanks. But I don't think the gap would ever have been 19s. It would have been 10s. Basically Ricc was 2.5s quicker on his in lap (better tyres) which would have made it very close on exit but for Ham being 8s slower on his out lap than Ricc. A 41.8 to a 33.9. There is now a 10.5 second gap less the fact that Ham was 0.5 ahead when he stopped. Ricc was stationery for an extra 10s and came out just behind. It would only have been 20s if Ham was stationery for 10 extra seconds, not Ricc.But Hamilton's out-lap was a 41.8, compared to a 30.6 he did the next lap, so he lost around 11 seconds to Ricciardo on his out-lap! One off track excursion by Hamilton was briefly shown I think? Ricciardo's out-lap was a 33.9, so in sum he would have been around 19 seconds ahead of Hamilton at the start of his final stint on the slicks. It must have been particularly galling for Ricciardo to learn that he couldn't even capitalise on his rival's mistakes owing to the incompetence of his team.
Edited by Dr Z on Monday 30th May 13:02
Anyway, the task has to be to find some footage of that out lap, because it was HORRIBLE and should have cost Hamilton the race.
Jez
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Lewis' Ultras were brand new, he saved the set over from Saturday as we know. It's not unfathomable that he could have closed the gap to DR from second place should that mix up have not happened. It's OK to say at Monaco you can't pass but in changing conditions anything could have happened.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
As usual, agree with most of what you say DS. One thing I should point out is Lewis' Ultra Softs being an unknown, perhaps in these conditions they were but every one knows they are simply last years Super-Softs don't they?
Well I've got to pick you up on that: I didn't know.By way of excuse, I took my wife away for a long weekend so didn't see any of the qually chat and on race day I got back to the hotel just before the pace car came in for the second time, so lap 8 or so. So all I heard was the talk about them by the commentators.
Thanks for the info.
Crafty_ said:
I don't see the barbed digs Derek, that quote is pretty factual.
I read it a couple of times, and I suppose much depends on the tone it was put (and perhaps the mind behind it) but if he was a team mate of yours, even one who was a competitor, would you have used phrases like:I thought Nico had a problem . . . I was much, much quicker than him. . . . I am stuck behind [him]. When the team ask you to push and you are not able to. . . ?
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, and indeed it was factual but the first one seemed to me to be uncalled for. I'm more used to team sports where it is quite common to be supportive. If you wanted to be really nasty you might say: 'I thought our goalkeeper was unlucky with the fourth goal he let in.'
I seem to remember a bit of history between the two.
Did anyone bring up last race's collision with either of them?
Jasandjules said:
DKL said:
My thoughts too. Hamilton was all over the place coming out of that corner and Ric would have sailed past had the door not been slammed shut. Fair enough, racing incident but yet he managed not to take the pair of them out. Could have kept his foot in and assumed the space would be there.
Think you want to check the footage and check just how much room was left..... Enough for a car... Which is impressive in Monaco before you start.... Derek Smith said:
I've just looked at most of the race again as I tend to miss a few things in real time.
It was a great drive by LH. Or rather, Merc gave him a good chance to win and he made the best of it.
Going via the comparative lap times that were being posted, LH took it slowly (for him) from the time DR emerged from the pits behind him. That DR closed so quickly was not, I think, a factor of the tyres but his tactic of trying to get the ultras to last until the end. That they did so quite easily is no reflection on him or the team as they were the great unknown. It took a certain bravery to opt for them (I felt that super softs were the better option, and am not convinced I was wrong) given their behaviour in qually and with DR likely to drop into the pits the lap after LH.
I said it was a terrific race for FI and Perez, and want to reinforce that, but he was lapping faster than LH for much of the time. So I think LH was coasting as well as keeping DR behind him. Not an easy thing to do, even at Monaco.
He made a couple of minor errors but managed them.
I wonder what had been said in RB after the last race. This might be the reason that DR was a bit miffed. He might have been told it will all change. His comments were a bit off but I reckon the team will be obliged to forgive him. Had the pit stop gone well, reasonably or even not too badly, he'd probably have won or ended up with a collision with LH.
This race puts a fair bit of pressure on Nico. His drive was desultory, but through no fault of the machine. It was all down to him it would appear. I feel certain that if there had been a fault with 'fuel pressure' again, it would have been mentioned. The comments post race are revealing I think.
Via Wolff:
“. . . we decided to call it because the [Rosberg’s] pace was just so much slower."
Rosberg said: "They gave me a warning, 'try and up the pace', and I wasn't able to.
Hamilton said, in a statement that seems full of barbed digs:
"I thought Nico had a problem. I knew when I was behind him that I was much, much quicker than him. I was also conscious that none of us are going to win this race if I am stuck behind. When the team ask you to push and you are not able to and it is hindering the team's chance of winning we have that agreement. I said thanks for being a gentleman."
7th place for NR means that he is less that a win in front of LH.
Agreed on the above. I thought jt was interesting also that Hamilton finished the race extending his lead over Ricciardo who had actually shot his tyres by the end through flat spots, so while DR was incredibly unfortunate, it was also a great drive from Lewis and not solely a case of him benefiting from someone else's bad luck.It was a great drive by LH. Or rather, Merc gave him a good chance to win and he made the best of it.
Going via the comparative lap times that were being posted, LH took it slowly (for him) from the time DR emerged from the pits behind him. That DR closed so quickly was not, I think, a factor of the tyres but his tactic of trying to get the ultras to last until the end. That they did so quite easily is no reflection on him or the team as they were the great unknown. It took a certain bravery to opt for them (I felt that super softs were the better option, and am not convinced I was wrong) given their behaviour in qually and with DR likely to drop into the pits the lap after LH.
I said it was a terrific race for FI and Perez, and want to reinforce that, but he was lapping faster than LH for much of the time. So I think LH was coasting as well as keeping DR behind him. Not an easy thing to do, even at Monaco.
He made a couple of minor errors but managed them.
I wonder what had been said in RB after the last race. This might be the reason that DR was a bit miffed. He might have been told it will all change. His comments were a bit off but I reckon the team will be obliged to forgive him. Had the pit stop gone well, reasonably or even not too badly, he'd probably have won or ended up with a collision with LH.
This race puts a fair bit of pressure on Nico. His drive was desultory, but through no fault of the machine. It was all down to him it would appear. I feel certain that if there had been a fault with 'fuel pressure' again, it would have been mentioned. The comments post race are revealing I think.
Via Wolff:
“. . . we decided to call it because the [Rosberg’s] pace was just so much slower."
Rosberg said: "They gave me a warning, 'try and up the pace', and I wasn't able to.
Hamilton said, in a statement that seems full of barbed digs:
"I thought Nico had a problem. I knew when I was behind him that I was much, much quicker than him. I was also conscious that none of us are going to win this race if I am stuck behind. When the team ask you to push and you are not able to and it is hindering the team's chance of winning we have that agreement. I said thanks for being a gentleman."
7th place for NR means that he is less that a win in front of LH.
If I was Ron Dennis, working my way towards a three plan for glory, I would be after Ricciardo. Danny would also be faster in the Ferrari than Vettel I feel.
Z3MCJez said:
Dr Z said:
Looking at the lap times, Ricciardo's first pit stop to get Inters was 25.1s. The second one for slicks was 35.3s. It is fair assume that he lost 10.2s to Hamilton in the second stop, being stationary with no wheels. Minus the pit times from their respective in-laps, Ricciardo's in-lap was 2.5s faster than Hamilton's. So in theory, Ricciardo would have been around 12.5s ahead of Hamilton when he comes out on fresh Super Softs if all had gone well, not including Hamilton's out-lap.
But Hamilton's out-lap was a 41.8, compared to a 30.6 he did the next lap, so he lost around 11 seconds to Ricciardo on his out-lap! One off track excursion by Hamilton was briefly shown I think? Ricciardo's out-lap was a 33.9, so in sum he would have been around 19 seconds ahead of Hamilton at the start of his final stint on the slicks. It must have been particularly galling for Ricciardo to learn that he couldn't even capitalise on his rival's mistakes owing to the incompetence of his team.
Really helpful - thanks. But I don't think the gap would ever have been 19s. It would have been 10s. Basically Ricc was 2.5s quicker on his in lap (better tyres) which would have made it very close on exit but for Ham being 8s slower on his out lap than Ricc. A 41.8 to a 33.9. There is now a 10.5 second gap less the fact that Ham was 0.5 ahead when he stopped. Ricc was stationery for an extra 10s and came out just behind. It would only have been 20s if Ham was stationery for 10 extra seconds, not Ricc.But Hamilton's out-lap was a 41.8, compared to a 30.6 he did the next lap, so he lost around 11 seconds to Ricciardo on his out-lap! One off track excursion by Hamilton was briefly shown I think? Ricciardo's out-lap was a 33.9, so in sum he would have been around 19 seconds ahead of Hamilton at the start of his final stint on the slicks. It must have been particularly galling for Ricciardo to learn that he couldn't even capitalise on his rival's mistakes owing to the incompetence of his team.
Anyway, the task has to be to find some footage of that out lap, because it was HORRIBLE and should have cost Hamilton the race.
Jez
To be fair to Hamilton, I saw that Rosberg also had a similarly slow out-lap on the Ultra Softs. It did appear as if the Merc had trouble bringing the slicks up to temp in the drying track, which is a first as they've always been known to be good at getting heat in to the tyres.
swisstoni said:
Has Horner broken cover yet?
yes, yesterday:http://www.crash.net/f1/news/230871/1/horner-expla...
Takes the blame, supersofts were not being heated in the same place as the softs they initially chose.
deadslow said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Lewis' Ultras were brand new, he saved the set over from Saturday as we know. It's not unfathomable that he could have closed the gap to DR from second place should that mix up have not happened. It's OK to say at Monaco you can't pass but in changing conditions anything could have happened.
Clevers said:
NRS said:
My "nonsense" part was the talking about it for decades if it was Senna. He would have been at least 5 seconds out if things had gone smoothly, if not more (I guess someone can work out the time more accurately). So he did what was needed, but it was pure luck that it paid off in regards to Red Bull messing up. He did well, but it wasn't a legendary performance.
OK, understood and agreed, except the bit about pure luck......surely the old sporting cliche applies here about "luck" being the moment when preparation meets opportunity. Hamilton had to put himself in play to benefit and he did that in the way he managed his own race. deadslow said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Lewis' Ultras were brand new, he saved the set over from Saturday as we know. It's not unfathomable that he could have closed the gap to DR from second place should that mix up have not happened. It's OK to say at Monaco you can't pass but in changing conditions anything could have happened.
You are well known for having digs at anyone who suggests Hamilton is pretty good at what he does, but - a bit of advice - it is best to pick your ground with care. LOH is spot on here.
Anything could have happened to give LH the win.
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