So they are going with Halo devices then
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PW said:
Now imagine how upset you'd be, as a driver, that internet experts watching from the safety of the sofa, and some old journalist, want to ruin your DIRECT INVOLVEMENT in the sport by arguing to deny a safety feature that you asked for.
Are you suggesting that F1 drivers requested for F1 cars to become closed cockpit cars? It's a bit like a McDonalds sponsored vegan getting upset over the fact that they serve meat and dairy products, isn't it. My message to those entitled young snowflake EFF0ne racers - look for a different job or sit at home with your mummy (most of you can afford doing f
k all anyway), she'll make you a cuppa of hot chocolate while you race on your Playstations and will give you a hug when someone spoils your "race".There were murmurings in Austria about what testing the FIA have actually done. Andy Green from Force India expressed a concern that in a T-bone accident or a crash similar to Spa 2012 that parts could become trapped in the Halo and swing towards the driver "acting like a guillotine".
It seems no-one is really sure exactly what problem we're trying to fix. The FIA are desperate to be seen to be doing something about safety, I think some drivers feel compelled to support it on the basis of "more safety = good". From what I've seen I don't really think it has the support of fans and Bernie has said he doesn't think we need it.
Of course the backup is the screen, but that failed the FIA's own tests miserably and there is some disagreement about that too - some suggesting the bar around the top could break and spear the driver.
The usual FIA farce then. Todt is a fking waste of space, Charlie is out of touch and they lurch from one cock up to another. I think they need a good shake up to be honest.
It seems no-one is really sure exactly what problem we're trying to fix. The FIA are desperate to be seen to be doing something about safety, I think some drivers feel compelled to support it on the basis of "more safety = good". From what I've seen I don't really think it has the support of fans and Bernie has said he doesn't think we need it.
Of course the backup is the screen, but that failed the FIA's own tests miserably and there is some disagreement about that too - some suggesting the bar around the top could break and spear the driver.
The usual FIA farce then. Todt is a f
king waste of space, Charlie is out of touch and they lurch from one cock up to another. I think they need a good shake up to be honest.If you have a section of track that runs downhill and then uphill into a corner car the driver see the apex? Could they see a car that has spun mid-corner? I'm in favour of increased head protection, but I'm not sure this is what is needed.
How many head injuries or deaths would have been prevented had this been on the car, Massa, Bianchi,de Villota? Has this been evaluated? Or are we solving the problem we think we have rather than the one we actually have?
How many head injuries or deaths would have been prevented had this been on the car, Massa, Bianchi,de Villota? Has this been evaluated? Or are we solving the problem we think we have rather than the one we actually have?
Charlie & FIA now trying shock tactics to convince drivers http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-drivers-shown...
I wonder if they actually re=created the example accidents (virtually or otherwise) to prove the halo would actually have helped, or if they just presented how they thought it would have helped.
It'd also be interesting to know if they've examined other "close" accidents to see if the halo would have a negative effect, as raised by some f1 designers/engineers recently.
Regardless, Charlie is desperate to get this through.
I wonder if they actually re=created the example accidents (virtually or otherwise) to prove the halo would actually have helped, or if they just presented how they thought it would have helped.
It'd also be interesting to know if they've examined other "close" accidents to see if the halo would have a negative effect, as raised by some f1 designers/engineers recently.
Regardless, Charlie is desperate to get this through.
Agreed. Why take ANY risks. And, of course, keep the crowds away in case they get injured or killed if a car leaves the track.
I believe they are working on this latter problem already and are very pleased that far fewer people are now turning up to many venues. After all, no people = no danger. Job done.
I believe they are working on this latter problem already and are very pleased that far fewer people are now turning up to many venues. After all, no people = no danger. Job done.
MartG said:
Rather than mandating the use of a particular device i.e. Halo, I'd like to see the FIA specify a battery of tests which the car has to pass and leave it up to the designers how they do it.
The current way they specify particular equipment is stifling innovation
They'd argue its cutting costs.... but yeah I'd like to see that approach too.The current way they specify particular equipment is stifling innovation
MartG said:
Rather than mandating the use of a particular device i.e. Halo, I'd like to see the FIA specify a battery of tests which the car has to pass and leave it up to the designers how they do it.
The current way they specify particular equipment is stifling innovation
imagine how much more some teams would spend on aero testing various shape halos, for example, if it were unrestricted. At least this will be a standard part produced by a third party to be used by all teams.The current way they specify particular equipment is stifling innovation
amgmcqueen said:
How is a device that is directly in the drivers eye line, restricting visibility, considered safe?!
How would the Halo stop a similar incident to Massa's regarding flying objects...?
The spring that hit Massa was quite big. It'd certainly fit through the gap in the halo if the position and angle were right but it's probably far more likely to be deflected away or caught on it. How would the Halo stop a similar incident to Massa's regarding flying objects...?
kambites said:
amgmcqueen said:
How is a device that is directly in the drivers eye line, restricting visibility, considered safe?!
How would the Halo stop a similar incident to Massa's regarding flying objects...?
The spring that hit Massa was quite big. It'd certainly fit through the gap in the halo if the position and angle were right but it's probably far more likely to be deflected away or caught on it. How would the Halo stop a similar incident to Massa's regarding flying objects...?
I'd be more worried about the pillar in front than the height if I was Vettel - height-wise it's no worse than an LMP1 by the look of it.
I still think that there must be a more elegant solution and that no decision should be taken until the aero effects have been fully tested.
But yes, make the cars safer. I don't want my Sunday afternoon ruined by watching someone get seriously injured or worse. I just don't see that as entertainment.
I still think that there must be a more elegant solution and that no decision should be taken until the aero effects have been fully tested.
But yes, make the cars safer. I don't want my Sunday afternoon ruined by watching someone get seriously injured or worse. I just don't see that as entertainment.
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