Is the safety car start, the beginning of the end?
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Artey said:
And look how s
t it's become. So it's true.
I disagree. Some of the safety stuff means many drivers are still alive. Even people like Pat Symonds said that whilst they pushed back originally, some changes made sense.t it's become. So it's true.Take a non safety example. Introducing refuelling and then dropping refuelling (not the current fuel limit). Which change was bad?
Was HANS bad? Or cockpit sides? Or increased crash test requirements? ....
I agree that some changes have been bad, but not every one as a blanket statement.
Vaud said:
Artey said:
And look how st it's become. So it's true.
Take a non safety example. Introducing refuelling and then dropping refuelling (not the current fuel limit). Which change was bad?t it's become. So it's true.Was HANS bad? Or cockpit sides? Or increased crash test requirements? ....
I agree that some changes have been bad, but not every one as a blanket statement.
Artey said:
Vaud said:
sirtyro said:
I think the HALO is the beginning of the end for F1
That phrase has been used with almost every minor and major change since I started watching F1 in ~1988.t it's become. So it's true.I think it is more the end of the end as far as i am concerned.
Yesterday's start was ludicrous - from what I understand from comments from Vettel the problem stems at least partly from the fact that the current full wets are rubbish.
Personally I'd have thought the better compromise plan yesterday would have been to start under the SC and then after two laps bring the SC in and continue under the VSC for another lap or two - you could then set the VSC lap delta to a speed faster than the physical SC could maintain and that would allow the drivers to not only get a good sense of the grip but also let them get some temperature into the tires and brakes before going racing.
I do understand why they've gone uber-cautious regarding wet tracks following Jules Bianchi's death and I'm all for keeping drivers, spectators and marshals as safe as is practical but I honestly think they've gone too far on this issue. Starting behind the SC makes good sense at places like Monaco or Baku where the tiniest of slides can result in carnage but at a more open circuit like Silverstone it just feels like overkill. Drivers were regularly having "moments" at turn one throughout the race yesterday and it was all pretty harmless.
Personally the "danger" of F1 (or any motorsport) has never been a plus point for me in my enjoyment of the sport, very much the opposite in fact. I watch it for the racing skill, strategy and physical endurance of the drivers and teams.
Personally I'd have thought the better compromise plan yesterday would have been to start under the SC and then after two laps bring the SC in and continue under the VSC for another lap or two - you could then set the VSC lap delta to a speed faster than the physical SC could maintain and that would allow the drivers to not only get a good sense of the grip but also let them get some temperature into the tires and brakes before going racing.
I do understand why they've gone uber-cautious regarding wet tracks following Jules Bianchi's death and I'm all for keeping drivers, spectators and marshals as safe as is practical but I honestly think they've gone too far on this issue. Starting behind the SC makes good sense at places like Monaco or Baku where the tiniest of slides can result in carnage but at a more open circuit like Silverstone it just feels like overkill. Drivers were regularly having "moments" at turn one throughout the race yesterday and it was all pretty harmless.
Personally the "danger" of F1 (or any motorsport) has never been a plus point for me in my enjoyment of the sport, very much the opposite in fact. I watch it for the racing skill, strategy and physical endurance of the drivers and teams.
KaraK said:
Yesterday's start was ludicrous - from what I understand from comments from Vettel the problem stems at least partly from the fact that the current full wets are rubbish.
Personally I'd have thought the better compromise plan yesterday would have been to start under the SC and then after two laps bring the SC in and continue under the VSC for another lap or two - you could then set the VSC lap delta to a speed faster than the physical SC could maintain and that would allow the drivers to not only get a good sense of the grip but also let them get some temperature into the tires and brakes before going racing.
I do understand why they've gone uber-cautious regarding wet tracks following Jules Bianchi's death and I'm all for keeping drivers, spectators and marshals as safe as is practical but I honestly think they've gone too far on this issue. Starting behind the SC makes good sense at places like Monaco or Baku where the tiniest of slides can result in carnage but at a more open circuit like Silverstone it just feels like overkill. Drivers were regularly having "moments" at turn one throughout the race yesterday and it was all pretty harmless.
Personally the "danger" of F1 (or any motorsport) has never been a plus point for me in my enjoyment of the sport, very much the opposite in fact. I watch it for the racing skill, strategy and physical endurance of the drivers and teams.
Agree with this, not happy with SC pounding round till it was ready for Inters yesterday. What was the point of the full wets then? In the post race interview with Sainz Jr on C4, he was saying they should have pulled the SC in after 3 laps max.Personally I'd have thought the better compromise plan yesterday would have been to start under the SC and then after two laps bring the SC in and continue under the VSC for another lap or two - you could then set the VSC lap delta to a speed faster than the physical SC could maintain and that would allow the drivers to not only get a good sense of the grip but also let them get some temperature into the tires and brakes before going racing.
I do understand why they've gone uber-cautious regarding wet tracks following Jules Bianchi's death and I'm all for keeping drivers, spectators and marshals as safe as is practical but I honestly think they've gone too far on this issue. Starting behind the SC makes good sense at places like Monaco or Baku where the tiniest of slides can result in carnage but at a more open circuit like Silverstone it just feels like overkill. Drivers were regularly having "moments" at turn one throughout the race yesterday and it was all pretty harmless.
Personally the "danger" of F1 (or any motorsport) has never been a plus point for me in my enjoyment of the sport, very much the opposite in fact. I watch it for the racing skill, strategy and physical endurance of the drivers and teams.
Whenever there is a poll on the best moments every in F1 Senna's opening lap in the wet at Donington is right at the top. That lap wouldn't be allowed to happen nowadays.
Charlie Whiting ruined the start yesterday by keeping the cars behind the safety car until they didn't even need full wet tyres.
Charlie Whiting ruined the start yesterday by keeping the cars behind the safety car until they didn't even need full wet tyres.
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