Is the safety car start, the beginning of the end?
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The problem is not only of F1 management's making. Health and safety is a consideration nowadays. If all the cars piled into the first corner and hit one another, then that would be bad for the sport. If someone was seriously injured then the race would be stopped and then restarted some time later, maybe a considerable time later if the person is difficult to extricate. If someone was killed, then there would be repercussions.
Two dead in one race years ago, before the full effects of H&S were in place, meant major changes were forced on the sport. Even then, the Williams team were in a difficult position with regards culpability. There were those pushing greater safety features well before the accident and proposals were submitted. Nowadays, ignoring them could cost the sport the FIA.
We all - and that includes me - moan about modern photocopied racing circuits, but that is the price that has to be paid. Have a major accident at Monaco and we run into the difficulty of improving it's safety.
Good call to start it under the SC. That said, it was left out too long - but as soon as it was brought in, what happened?
We had a great race, at least for Monaco, so the SC didn't ruin the race.
Two dead in one race years ago, before the full effects of H&S were in place, meant major changes were forced on the sport. Even then, the Williams team were in a difficult position with regards culpability. There were those pushing greater safety features well before the accident and proposals were submitted. Nowadays, ignoring them could cost the sport the FIA.
We all - and that includes me - moan about modern photocopied racing circuits, but that is the price that has to be paid. Have a major accident at Monaco and we run into the difficulty of improving it's safety.
Good call to start it under the SC. That said, it was left out too long - but as soon as it was brought in, what happened?
We had a great race, at least for Monaco, so the SC didn't ruin the race.
Adrian W said:
If conditions were so bad why were teams sticking on inters as soon as they could?
When the lights went out it was too wet for inters. However, if it were just declared a wet race the teams would have had the option of starting on them, and some would have surely tried. The safety car start was less about it being too dangerous for a standing start, and more about forcing all the teams to start on full wets, as per the regulations for a safety car start.However, it should have pulled in after the first lap. Having it out there for six laps was taking the piss a bit.
How's the grass looking? 
I know it's all about the money, but if H&S is such a priority why have this race at all, it is a bit of a contradiction in terms, other proper race circuits have been refused permission to stage F1 races because the run offs are not large enough.
I've attended club races at Anglesey when some of the corners were under water, and the race still started on time, it was up to the drivers if they wanted to pull out,
I've attended club races at Anglesey when some of the corners were under water, and the race still started on time, it was up to the drivers if they wanted to pull out,
Eric Mc said:
C70R said:
It was an observation that a pitlane full of teams owned by MASSIVE egos/t
ts (like Bernie and Flavio) would be more detrimental to the sport than anything else we've discussed.
Isn't that what it is anyway?ts (like Bernie and Flavio) would be more detrimental to the sport than anything else we've discussed.If you think Horner, Mallya, Lowe et al are anything like as bad as Bernie, Flavio and Eddie Jordan, then your memory is either very short or very selective.
While F1 has always been a money game, the current (TV) funding model reduces our dependence on the ego-fuelled detritus that clutters the sport. In my books, that's a good thing.
C70R said:
No.
If you think Horner, Mallya, Lowe et al are anything like as bad as Bernie, Flavio and Eddie Jordan, then your memory is either very short or very selective.
While F1 has always been a money game, the current (TV) funding model reduces our dependence on the ego-fuelled detritus that clutters the sport. In my books, that's a good thing.
Not exactly paupers, are they. And whether these newer characters are better or worse for F1 or not is a bit early to say yet. If you think Horner, Mallya, Lowe et al are anything like as bad as Bernie, Flavio and Eddie Jordan, then your memory is either very short or very selective.
While F1 has always been a money game, the current (TV) funding model reduces our dependence on the ego-fuelled detritus that clutters the sport. In my books, that's a good thing.
And I'm not so sure over reliance on TV money is that great for any sport in the long run.
With Jules Bianchi's family taking legal action I imagine they decided it was better to have a few disgruntled fans rather than another potentially fatal incident and another legal case to deal with.. It's sad, but what would you do if this was your business? I certainly would take the safer option which would cover me legally.
Eric Mc said:
C70R said:
No.
If you think Horner, Mallya, Lowe et al are anything like as bad as Bernie, Flavio and Eddie Jordan, then your memory is either very short or very selective.
While F1 has always been a money game, the current (TV) funding model reduces our dependence on the ego-fuelled detritus that clutters the sport. In my books, that's a good thing.
Not exactly paupers, are they. And whether these newer characters are better or worse for F1 or not is a bit early to say yet.If you think Horner, Mallya, Lowe et al are anything like as bad as Bernie, Flavio and Eddie Jordan, then your memory is either very short or very selective.
While F1 has always been a money game, the current (TV) funding model reduces our dependence on the ego-fuelled detritus that clutters the sport. In my books, that's a good thing.
And I'm not so sure over reliance on TV money is that great for any sport in the long run.
I'd much rather take TV money and the current crop of owners than no TV money and the old way (a bunch of egotistical shysters).
C70R said:
Get off the fence. Horner has already been a team principle for longer than Briatore or Jordan ever were.
I'd much rather take TV money and the current crop of owners than no TV money and the old way (a bunch of egotistical shysters).
I always like it when people start invoking "horses" (whether of the high variety or not). I look on it as an admission that they have run out of debating points.I'd much rather take TV money and the current crop of owners than no TV money and the old way (a bunch of egotistical shysters).
Formula 1 has never been noted for being a collection of "saints" and "exemplars" of best behaviour. I doubt if that is going to change much anytime soon. Indeed, I would prefer to have "characters" in the sport rather than a bunch of boring corporate clones.
Eric Mc said:
Formula 1 has never been noted for being a collection of "saints" and "exemplars" of best behaviour. I doubt if that is going to change much anytime soon. Indeed, I would prefer to have "characters" in the sport rather than a bunch of boring corporate clones.
There is a balance between "characters" and outright cheats though.Eric Mc said:
If you can define that difference when talking motor racing, you are a better man than me.
Never a truer word spoken. What a silly thread. It was a great race (by Monaco standards). We'll never know what would've happened had it been a standing start but Jolyon Palmer binning it due to loss of traction on painted lines in a high gear and at speed may give some indication.
HustleRussell said:
Never a truer word spoken.
What a silly thread. It was a great race (by Monaco standards). We'll never know what would've happened had it been a standing start but Jolyon Palmer binning it due to loss of traction on painted lines in a high gear and at speed may give some indication.
How can you call it a great race, without a standing start.What a silly thread. It was a great race (by Monaco standards). We'll never know what would've happened had it been a standing start but Jolyon Palmer binning it due to loss of traction on painted lines in a high gear and at speed may give some indication.
I don't get why anyone in the media tries to talk it up at every opportunity, maybe this way they keep their jobs.
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