should the radio ban stay?

should the radio ban stay?

Poll: should the radio ban stay?

Total Members Polled: 251

No it is a spaceship : 58%
YES it is a racecar: 42%
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Adrian W

Original Poster:

13,870 posts

228 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Is the Radio coaching ban reasonable, the cars have become so complicated that the driver cannot do it on his own if something goes wrong and it is a team sport?

or is it the same for everyone so get on with it and stop moaning?

Dixie

733 posts

235 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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I'm not sure it should be allowed over radio but maybe they could give instruction via the pit board.

KaraK

13,183 posts

209 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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By and large I think the clampdown has been successful - but I do think it should be tweaked to allow for troubleshooting/fixes to be permitted. I'm thinking here about situations like Hamilton experienced on Sunday. If abuse of such exceptions was a concern you could control it easily enough by requiring any such messages to be approved by race control in advance.

Sam All

3,101 posts

101 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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KaraK said:
By and large I think the clampdown has been successful - but I do think it should be tweaked to allow for troubleshooting/fixes to be permitted. I'm thinking here about situations like Hamilton experienced on Sunday. If abuse of such exceptions was a concern you could control it easily enough by requiring any such messages to be approved by race control in advance.
That's fair

HarryFlatters

4,203 posts

212 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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The ban on coaching is reasonable, the ban on troubleshooting car issues is a step too far.

rsbmw

3,464 posts

105 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Poll needs a third option. I like that they can't tell the driver how to drive the car, manage brakes etc, but they should be able to talk them through a mid race software patch when there is a bug with the config. They're drivers for Christs sake, not IT support.

Hard to write rules for I suppose, but an authorisation layer seems to make sense and would be easy to implement. I doubt it would need to be used that often.

Adrian W

Original Poster:

13,870 posts

228 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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rsbmw said:
Poll needs a third option. I like that they can't tell the driver how to drive the car, manage brakes etc, but they should be able to talk them through a mid race software patch when there is a bug with the config. They're drivers for Christs sake, not IT support.

Hard to write rules for I suppose, but an authorisation layer seems to make sense and would be easy to implement. I doubt it would need to be used that often.
What would be the secret code for so and so's car is buggered push him as hard as you can

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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HarryFlatters said:
The ban on coaching is reasonable, the ban on troubleshooting car issues is a step too far.
Agreed, but enforcement of such a vague distinction would be challenging to say the least.

rsbmw

3,464 posts

105 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Adrian W said:
What would be the secret code for so and so's car is buggered push him as hard as you can
What stops them using secret codes right now?

indigorallye

555 posts

225 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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All forms of communication should be allowed whilst the car is in the pit lane.
Therefore, if you want to pass a message that is currently banned you bring the car in for effectively a drive through penalty, or wait for your next pit-stop.

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

174 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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The argument was the "fans" wanted to see drivers having to figure it out themselves, but to me it seems more like the rule was introduced to stop the smarter drivers from utilising the information they can get from their engineers, but that is part of being a great driver too. And clearly this rule doesn't help the 'show' when events like we saw yesterday unfold.

Hamilton does have a fair point - why make F1 cars so expensive and complex but then introduce rules that stop the driver from maximising the package they have underneath them... it doesn't make much sense but then F1 rule making rarely does.

Oh and I have to say I quite miss the number of radio transmissions we used to get, I thought they were often interesting and provided good insight into the workload of the driver.

MikeyC

836 posts

227 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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seems obvious to me he/they need a 'normal mode' button - if there's space on the steering wheel !

Jasandjules

69,887 posts

229 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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I think it's been said above - coaching on driving ought to be banned, after all, that's what the driver is paid for.

But technical issues with the car - the damn things have so many settings it is beyond the pale, not to mention expecting drivers to fiddle with 20 switches whilst travelling at 200mph seems a little unrealistic.

thegreenhell

15,330 posts

219 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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What would have been the penalty if the team had given him explicit instructions to change the setting, and how much time did he lose by being in the wrong setting?

If the team could see he was losing, say, one second per lap with 25 laps remaining, but the penalty would only be a 5 or 10 second addition to race time, then surely a 'professional foul' would be in order?

blueg33

35,883 posts

224 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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In my mind the problem Lewis had at the weekend is the car systems designer's fault. Surely it wouldn't be hard to have a button that resets to a known mode, eg normal race mode so the driver can get to a known position and tweak from there.


stemll

4,096 posts

200 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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indigorallye said:
All forms of communication should be allowed whilst the car is in the pit lane.
Therefore, if you want to pass a message that is currently banned you bring the car in for effectively a drive through penalty, or wait for your next pit-stop.
I presume that during a pit stop, a mechanic could lean in and change the mode for him. The mechanics can do pretty much anything can't they once the race has started?

Eric Mc

122,025 posts

265 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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stemll said:
I presume that during a pit stop, a mechanic could lean in and change the mode for him. The mechanics can do pretty much anything can't they once the race has started?
Do you mean "can" or "may"?

Mr_Yogi

3,278 posts

255 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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I'd rather they just banned all the bloddy engine modes and maps, one map is all you get and your right foot. None of this super boost mode for 5 laps bks mad

marshalla

15,902 posts

201 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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Mr_Yogi said:
I'd rather they just banned all the bloddy engine modes and maps, one map is all you get and your right foot. None of this super boost mode for 5 laps bks mad
Almost agreed. Driver gets to set the car up during practice & qualifying, with any further changes being made during pit stops, through a cable which has to be plugged in, and not via the steering wheel. Possibly allow brake balance changes via a simple in-cockpit system as they can be safety-related.

Mr_Yogi

3,278 posts

255 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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marshalla said:
Mr_Yogi said:
I'd rather they just banned all the bloddy engine modes and maps, one map is all you get and your right foot. None of this super boost mode for 5 laps bks mad
Almost agreed. Driver gets to set the car up during practice & qualifying, with any further changes being made during pit stops, through a cable which has to be plugged in, and not via the steering wheel. Possibly allow brake balance changes via a simple in-cockpit system as they can be safety-related.
Yeah, I've got no problems with brake bias, dif settings, etc. as racing drivers have always had those, but the engine should be fixed. None of these "first lap" modes, turn it up to mode 6, Multi 21, etc.