should the radio ban stay?
Poll: should the radio ban stay?
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Discussion
Adrian W said:
Brundle must feel strongly about the radio ban, he was going on saying that if Rosbergs brakes had failed the team should have been able to tell him over the radio, personally I think he would have claimed he didn't hear and tried to punt LH off anyway
Surely brake failure is a safety issue and would be allowed in any event?Jasandjules said:
Adrian W said:
Brundle must feel strongly about the radio ban, he was going on saying that if Rosbergs brakes had failed the team should have been able to tell him over the radio, personally I think he would have claimed he didn't hear and tried to punt LH off anyway
Surely brake failure is a safety issue and would be allowed in any event?I firmly believe that the cars are too complicated to drive - I got bored of the Formula 1 Xbox game as you had to engage DRS, KERS etc.. at the right moment - forget it and then you've stuffed a lap - just forgetting to switch something on or off and the game is a lot easier than the real things!! Racing drivers should, as others have said, be concentrating on racing not managing systems and tyres and fuel flow and and and.... FFS! too much going on in the cockpit which is definitely dangerous.
In terms of the radio ban they shouldn't be able to tell someone to take more speed in to a corner / your team mate is doing this over the radio - but then again all that data is there in the data output at the end of the session, but everything else should be allowed. Especially after the 'we can't tell you what is wrong, but something is wrong...' or maybe they were being overly obtuse to make a public point.
eps said:
Jasandjules said:
Adrian W said:
Brundle must feel strongly about the radio ban, he was going on saying that if Rosbergs brakes had failed the team should have been able to tell him over the radio, personally I think he would have claimed he didn't hear and tried to punt LH off anyway
Surely brake failure is a safety issue and would be allowed in any event?I firmly believe that the cars are too complicated to drive - I got bored of the Formula 1 Xbox game as you had to engage DRS, KERS etc.. at the right moment - forget it and then you've stuffed a lap - just forgetting to switch something on or off and the game is a lot easier than the real things!! Racing drivers should, as others have said, be concentrating on racing not managing systems and tyres and fuel flow and and and.... FFS! too much going on in the cockpit which is definitely dangerous.
In terms of the radio ban they shouldn't be able to tell someone to take more speed in to a corner / your team mate is doing this over the radio - but then again all that data is there in the data output at the end of the session, but everything else should be allowed. Especially after the 'we can't tell you what is wrong, but something is wrong...' or maybe they were being overly obtuse to make a public point.
Merc told Hamilton about too much stress on the suspension at T8 or 9? earlier in the race. I'm sure they could have told him that your brakes have failed!
Force India say they requested permission to tell Perez and Hulkenberg about failing brakes, which they were denied, so I wouldn't be surprised if Merc weren't allowed either.
However, Merc were allowed to tell Lewis about high suspension loads in T9 and to keep off kerbs.
Hardly consistent, but thats what we've come to expect from the FIA sadly.
However, Merc were allowed to tell Lewis about high suspension loads in T9 and to keep off kerbs.
Hardly consistent, but thats what we've come to expect from the FIA sadly.
Crafty_ said:
Force India say they requested permission to tell Perez and Hulkenberg about failing brakes, which they were denied, so I wouldn't be surprised if Merc weren't allowed either.
However, Merc were allowed to tell Lewis about high suspension loads in T9 and to keep off kerbs.
Hardly consistent, but thats what we've come to expect from the FIA sadly.
I think maybe the FIA have become complacent about safety, or haven't thought this through properly, even though they claim its all about safety, so the team cannot tell the driver he has no brakes, then someone dies or is seriously injured, you can see where this is going.However, Merc were allowed to tell Lewis about high suspension loads in T9 and to keep off kerbs.
Hardly consistent, but thats what we've come to expect from the FIA sadly.
Adrian W said:
Crafty_ said:
Force India say they requested permission to tell Perez and Hulkenberg about failing brakes, which they were denied, so I wouldn't be surprised if Merc weren't allowed either.
However, Merc were allowed to tell Lewis about high suspension loads in T9 and to keep off kerbs.
Hardly consistent, but thats what we've come to expect from the FIA sadly.
I think maybe the FIA have become complacent about safety, or haven't thought this through properly, even though they claim its all about safety, so the team cannot tell the driver he has no brakes, then someone dies or is seriously injured, you can see where this is going.However, Merc were allowed to tell Lewis about high suspension loads in T9 and to keep off kerbs.
Hardly consistent, but thats what we've come to expect from the FIA sadly.
Is it actually possible for drivers at this level, with their obvious 'feel' for a car (although there are surely some with more 'feel' than others) could be driving a car and NOT feel a degradation in the brakes? I would think yes, a complete or catastrophic interruption of braking would be a surprise the first time, but if the pits know that the BBW system is failing, would not the foot that makes it all happen?
I sort of gathered that NRs bad turn 1 on Sunday was an indication that the brakes weren't working well, and that by Turn 2 he knew he had poor brakes but didn't bother to compensate, knowing that the only way he could win or avoid giving more points to LH was to take out him out.
The conversation about the 'smart' NR and the 'instinctive' LH is really unfortunate. To drive these cars and get to this level, there are no people relying on mere hand-eye coordination.
I sort of gathered that NRs bad turn 1 on Sunday was an indication that the brakes weren't working well, and that by Turn 2 he knew he had poor brakes but didn't bother to compensate, knowing that the only way he could win or avoid giving more points to LH was to take out him out.
The conversation about the 'smart' NR and the 'instinctive' LH is really unfortunate. To drive these cars and get to this level, there are no people relying on mere hand-eye coordination.
Trabi601 said:
Adrian W said:
So Merc have broken the rules, let's see what happens
They haven't broken the rules.Adrian W said:
Yes they did and they know it, last week they claimed they couldn't tell him his brakes were broken, yet this week they told him his gearbox was broken, they were lieing or cheating
I believe last week it was the regenerative braking causing an issue, which wasn't a major safety issue.An exploding gearbox poses a significant safety risk not only to the driver, but also to those following.
That's what is likely to be the distinction.
We shall see what the officials say.
Trabi601 said:
I believe last week it was the regenerative braking causing an issue, which wasn't a major safety issue.
An exploding gearbox poses a significant safety risk not only to the driver, but also to those following.
That's what is likely to be the distinction.
We shall see what the officials say.
The car not stopping properly (if true) is a safety issue, if the gearbox was unsafe they should have told him to pit.An exploding gearbox poses a significant safety risk not only to the driver, but also to those following.
That's what is likely to be the distinction.
We shall see what the officials say.
All driver coaching is against the rules, therefore a significant penalty should be given.
It's a bloody stupid rule but I can't see how they can possibly not take away second place. Even letting him keep third, given that it seems quite possible he'd have been unable to complete the race without the information, could be viewed as a dangerous precedent.
Other drivers have certainly lost more than five seconds due to not being able to solve technical issues in previous races.
Other drivers have certainly lost more than five seconds due to not being able to solve technical issues in previous races.
Edited by kambites on Sunday 10th July 16:09
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