Jensons future

[LandR]

Leroy902 said:

Go wash you face with some cold water, it'll wake you up.

He is the only teammate that has beaten Lewis over a season in the same car.

[Leroy902]

LandR said:

Leroy902 said:

Go wash you face with some cold water, it'll wake you up.

He is the only teammate that has beaten Lewis over a season in the same car.

He can probably be seen as an underrated driver, though everyone that knows anything about f1 rate him VERY highly, but he's not better than LH.

[fcuk1_6]

Williams are obviously keen to recruit him: http://www.eurosport.co.uk/formula-1/williams-butt...

I also suspect Renault may be considering Button: http://www.eurosport.co.uk/formula-1/renault-wants...

I think it will come down to what sort of money Jenson's looking for.

[lee_fr200]

I think he will stay at mclaren tbh! I can't see the board ushering Jenson out when he's a pr's wet dream and he's guarantees to bring the car home! Infact I haven't seen him have any offs this year!

Vandoorne is an unknown rly will the sponsors and the board want him driving for the team while the cars still been developed?

Personally I think Vandoorne needs to go in a lower team to gain experience first then in the mclarens for 2018 when either Alonso or button leave

[davepoth]

Leroy902 said:

LandR said:

Leroy902 said:

Go wash you face with some cold water, it'll wake you up.

He is the only teammate that has beaten Lewis over a season in the same car.

He can probably be seen as an underrated driver, though everyone that knows anything about f1 rate him VERY highly, but he's not better than LH.

On any given lap, I'd agree with you - Hamilton has driven the wheels off whatever car he's been in. But the numbers don't lie, and Button did score more points than Hamilton in the time they were at Mclaren.

Not by much, but considering how rated LH is, it's an interesting statistic, especially since it's over such a large number of races.

If Button really wants a seat next year, he'll get one. The only question is whether he wants it at the salary he gets offered.

[lee_fr200]

Depends on whether he's racing for fun or for money if he goes Renault OR Williams he may get more but have 0 chance of a wdc

He could earn half what he does now stay at mclaren and possibly win a wdc next year which will raise his stock value again!

Me personally would go with the chance to win a wdc option over driving for the likes of Renault or williams

[cgt2]

lee_fr200 said:

Depends on whether he's racing for fun or for money if he goes Renault OR Williams he may get more but have 0 chance of a wdc

He could earn half what he does now stay at mclaren and possibly win a wdc next year which will raise his stock value again!

Me personally would go with the chance to win a wdc option over driving for the likes of Renault or williams

Williams aren't that financially solid so I'm sure sponsors would be heavily involved. I agree with you McLaren would be a better option (if it is an option).

[Jasandjules]

davepoth said:

If Button really wants a seat next year, he'll get one. The only question is whether he wants it at the salary he gets offered.

In his shoes I'd drive for just expenses!

[The Surveyor]

davepoth said:

On any given lap, I'd agree with you - Hamilton has driven the wheels off whatever car he's been in. But the numbers don't lie, and Button did score more points than Hamilton in the time they were at Mclaren.

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Button did scored more points than Lewis when they both drove for McLaren, but that was 2011, 5 seasons ago and I think LH has done an awful lot of growing up in that time where JB has remained consistently solid. Put them in the same team now and the result would be very different.

[PugwasHDJ80]

The Surveyor said:

davepoth said:

On any given lap, I'd agree with you - Hamilton has driven the wheels off whatever car he's been in. But the numbers don't lie, and Button did score more points than Hamilton in the time they were at Mclaren.

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Button did scored more points than Lewis when they both drove for McLaren, but that was 2011, 5 seasons ago and I think LH has done an awful lot of growing up in that time where JB has remained consistently solid. Put them in the same team now and the result would be very different.

really? Button is hardly playing second fiddle to Alonso at the moment.

[FourWheelDrift]

In races where both cars have finished it's 3 - 3 between Jenson and Fernando.

[The Surveyor]

PugwasHDJ80 said:

The Surveyor said:

davepoth said:

On any given lap, I'd agree with you - Hamilton has driven the wheels off whatever car he's been in. But the numbers don't lie, and Button did score more points than Hamilton in the time they were at Mclaren.

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Button did scored more points than Lewis when they both drove for McLaren, but that was 2011, 5 seasons ago and I think LH has done an awful lot of growing up in that time where JB has remained consistently solid. Put them in the same team now and the result would be very different.

really? Button is hardly playing second fiddle to Alonso at the moment.

Yes really! LH is a much more mature driver now than he was back in 2011. More mature and faster

[rubystone]

lee_fr200 said:

I think he will stay at mclaren tbh! I can't see the board ushering Jenson out when he's a pr's wet dream and he's guarantees to bring the car home! Infact I haven't seen him have any offs this year!

Vandoorne is an unknown rly will the sponsors and the board want him driving for the team while the cars still been developed?

Personally I think Vandoorne needs to go in a lower team to gain experience first then in the mclarens for 2018 when either Alonso or button leave

Perhaps you're not aware of the influence RD has over the team?. Capito is also an RD appointment, and a very shrewd one at that. Whilst Zak Brown may have brought Chandon to McLaren, it's still Ron that makes the final decision on partners. Still.

And were you aware he looks after the affairs of Vandoorne? Add to that the fact that JB is on £12m for this season and would have to stomach at least a 50% reduction in that next year and that he was a Whitmarsh signing and I'd say the chances of his staying there are slim.

[rubystone]

cgt2 said:

Williams aren't that financially solid so I'm sure sponsors would be heavily involved. I agree with you McLaren would be a better option (if it is an option).

FW has lost none of the 'garagiste' mentality. I am bloody sure that he has persuaded Bacardi to stump up a suitcase full of cash to pay for JB's drive next year and is already courting hair and deodorant manufacturers. It isn't far from Grove to Brooklands after all and there are over 130 brands represented on that particular industrial estate.

[Trabi601]

rubystone said:

FW has lost none of the 'garagiste' mentality. I am bloody sure that he has persuaded Bacardi to stump up a suitcase full of cash to pay for JB's drive next year and is already courting hair and deodorant manufacturers. It isn't far from Grove to Brooklands after all and there are over 130 brands represented on that particular industrial estate.

Martini, surely?

[yellowtang]

Trabi601 said:

Martini, surely?

Martini is one of the Bacardi Spirits brands.

[Trabi601]

yellowtang said:

Trabi601 said:

Martini, surely?

Martini is one of the Bacardi Spirits brands.

Ahhh, didn't realise Bacardi was an actual company! Thought it was what students and chavs drank to appear 'sophisticated'

[suffolk009]

lee_fr200 said:

I think he will stay at mclaren tbh! I can't see the board ushering Jenson out when he's a pr's wet dream and he's guarantees to bring the car home! Infact I haven't seen him have any offs this year!

Vandoorne is an unknown rly will the sponsors and the board want him driving for the team while the cars still been developed?

Personally I think Vandoorne needs to go in a lower team to gain experience first then in the mclarens for 2018 when either Alonso or button leave

I think you're reasoning is bang-on. I'd suggest it's about 50/50 at the moment.

[Smollet]

Trabi601 said:

Ahhh, didn't realise Bacardi was an actual company! Thought it was what students and chavs drank to appear 'sophisticated'

Well if one Ron doesn't want maybe another one will.

[Dr Z]

The Surveyor said:

PugwasHDJ80 said:

The Surveyor said:

davepoth said:

On any given lap, I'd agree with you - Hamilton has driven the wheels off whatever car he's been in. But the numbers don't lie, and Button did score more points than Hamilton in the time they were at Mclaren.

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Button did scored more points than Lewis when they both drove for McLaren, but that was 2011, 5 seasons ago and I think LH has done an awful lot of growing up in that time where JB has remained consistently solid. Put them in the same team now and the result would be very different.

really? Button is hardly playing second fiddle to Alonso at the moment.

Yes really! LH is a much more mature driver now than he was back in 2011. More mature and faster

Sorry, can't agree. He may be more mature, but equally I can say Hamilton's speed over one lap has also remained consistently solid as you judged JB's performances since then. There is no way to prove that Hamilton has become faster compared to his younger self, either over a lap or even race pace. However, what I can say confidently is that if you were to rewind the clock back to 2013 and put Hamilton and Button in the Merc then till now, Hamilton would have at least one less WDC to his name.

Button may not be as fast as Hamilton over a lap, but he's a brilliant racer who maximises the car's potential over a season purely by being consistent, less error prone and fast in the race. I can back this up with stats. You don't need to be as fast as Hamilton to win in the Merc, where your one lap pace doesn't count for much.

It is easier to 'see' one driver develop as they are winning races and the other one is running around at the back, but having followed Alonso and Button's performances closely this season when the car has been reasonably competitive in the midfield, I haven't seen any evidence that overwhelmingly favours Alonso over Button.