Jensons future

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GCH

3,984 posts

201 months

Wednesday 31st August 2016
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swisstoni said:
Crafty_ said:
Too much £££ for Williams.
Well that would be up to Jenson.
Williams would pay in magic beans if they could get away with it...

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Wednesday 31st August 2016
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PugwasHDJ80 said:
Crafty_ said:
SpudLink said:
Are you sure? Put him in a dominant car (and one which suits his driving style), and I don't see why not. Suppose Alonso leaves the team in 2018, and McLaren/Honda produce a car that exploits the rules better than the competition (think Brawn and the double defuser). He would be about the same age as Mansell when he won the championship.
I would be. He had a dominant car in 2009 and needed team orders to beat Barichello in the other car.
No he really didn't

Ross brawn was and has always Beevery clear on this point
Team orders were issued in his favour more times than they were for Rubens.

Smollet

10,465 posts

189 months

Wednesday 31st August 2016
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Crafty_ said:
Team orders were issued in his favour more times than they were for Rubens.
Can you prove this?

Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Wednesday 31st August 2016
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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/12/rubens-barri...

It was all done covertly, but Barichello same off second best in strategy several times.

Smollet

10,465 posts

189 months

Wednesday 31st August 2016
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Crafty_ said:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/12/rubens-barri...

It was all done covertly, but Barichello same off second best in strategy several times.
Hardly proof imo.

VladD

7,853 posts

264 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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Smollet said:
Hardly proof imo.
Indeed. In the article Ruben's if asked if the team are favouring Button and he says no.

Europa1

10,923 posts

187 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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VladD said:
Smollet said:
Hardly proof imo.
Indeed. In the article Ruben's if asked if the team are favouring Button and he says no.
Didn't you know? - Ross Brawn was actually the man on the grassy knoll wink

Dr Z

3,396 posts

170 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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Crafty_ said:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/07/12/rubens-barri...

It was all done covertly, but Barichello same off second best in strategy several times.
I'll bite. Sorry, I'm with others on this...Rubens was simply not quick enough in that race to win. A quick look at the gaps on the 1st stint should reveal this. The one theme that comes out of Button's 2009 campaign is he consistently made the strategy work for him by actually putting in the laps when needed which Rubens failed to do as consistently as Button.

In that race, Rubens had a near enough 20 second gap to Massa when they pitted him. You expect a driver to deliver a lap time for the in-lap that allows him to re-emerge comfortably ahead of a slower car in that situation. He failed to do it, allowing Button and Webber to close the gap down considerably in the 2nd stint which helped them both in the end. This is again illustrated by how Button was stuck behind Rubens in the 3rd stint, when the time for in-lap came, Button put in a super lap (1.2s faster) that allowed him to jump Rubens.

The other one that get talked about it is the Spanish GP which thankfully F1 fanatic have an article about where they plot the lap times:



The debate about the 2-stop/3-stop aside, just look at that middle/final stints from Button. Absolute Beast!

I don't believe that stuff like this can be engineered into a team to help systematically favour one driver. Do you have other instances of alleged favouritism?


Crafty_

13,248 posts

199 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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Meh, either way, Button isn't winning another WDC, so its a moot point.

He's had a decent career, far better than most. I don't think Williams is going to happen and it seems there is little chance of WEC.

His only choice is Mclaren shunning Vandoorne.


Dr Z

3,396 posts

170 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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Oh well that's that, then. Tbh I'd love to see him in other series. He has nothing left to prove in F1 anyway, although it will be nice to see him in the fight for another WDC.

lee_fr200

5,475 posts

189 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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He will stay with mclaren

Vandoorne will go to another team for a year then be in mclaren for 2018

glazbagun

14,257 posts

196 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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lee_fr200 said:
Ahhh I've been searching post race

Cheers mate,

Thing is I'm sure Alonso will have a say as Ron and Honda won't want to upset him last time he cost them a lot of money!
Can you imagine if the 2017 McLaren is the car to beat only for 2xWDC Alonso to be passed by his rookie teammate at the first corner! laugh

Trabi601

4,865 posts

94 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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glazbagun said:
Can you imagine if the 2017 McLaren is the car to beat
rofl

glazbagun

14,257 posts

196 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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Trabi601 said:
glazbagun said:
Can you imagine if the 2017 McLaren is the car to beat
rofl
That'll be a "no" then. biggrin

cgt2

7,092 posts

187 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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It's not beyond the realm of possibility that McLaren will be near the front as McLaren have had Peter Prodromou hard at work on their car for the 2017 regs, he was the key aerodynamics guy under Adrian Newey at Red Bull. They have been at work on their 2017 car for some time as this season and last were more treated as testing and they were never in the championship. Alonso, Dennis and Button have said this many many times in interviews.

Anyone remember what happened 2009? Who would have given that car any chance at all before pre-season testing?

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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cgt2 said:
It's not beyond the realm of possibility that McLaren will be near the front as McLaren have had Peter Prodromou hard at work on their car for the 2017 regs, he was the key aerodynamics guy under Adrian Newey at Red Bull. They have been at work on their 2017 car for some time as this season and last were more treated as testing and they were never in the championship. Alonso, Dennis and Button have said this many many times in interviews.
I would take a bet today on McLaren not winning either championship next year. In 2012 they had the fastest car and two of the best drivers on the grid - produced nothing due to poor strategy, botched pit stops, and poor reliablity. Also the Honda PU is still too unreliable. Not happening IMO.

Trabi601

4,865 posts

94 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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RenOHH said:
I would take a bet today on McLaren not winning either championship next year. In 2012 they had the fastest car and two of the best drivers on the grid - produced nothing due to poor strategy, botched pit stops, and poor reliablity. Also the Honda PU is still too unreliable. Not happening IMO.
Not convinced it was the 'fastest' car over a race distance. Over a single lap, maybe - but not over race distance.

However, I'm with you - I wouldn't bet on McLaren for next season - even if they get the car sorted, I'm certain the Honda PU will still be short of power.

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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lee_fr200 said:
He will stay with mclaren

Vandoorne will go to another team for a year then be in mclaren for 2018
Why would McLaren choose to keep button on for another year? It certainly won't be to hedge Alonso leaving in 2017 if that's what your logic is based on. Vandoorne is very likely to be announced as a McLaren driver after Singapore.

stevesingo

4,848 posts

221 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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Why would McLaren replace a driver who is keeping Alonso honest with a driver who is currently 9th in the 3rd tier formula he is currently racing in?

http://superformula.net/sf/en/race/2016/standings/


Trabi601

4,865 posts

94 months

Thursday 1st September 2016
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stevesingo said:
Why would McLaren replace a driver who is keeping Alonso honest with a driver who is currently 9th in the 3rd tier formula he is currently racing in?

http://superformula.net/sf/en/race/2016/standings/
I'm not convinced by Vandoorne at all. Lots of excitement over his GP debut - but I'm starting to wonder if GP2 is any kind of barometer these days.

He's getting a bit old for a rookie season by modern standards, too!