Jensons future
Discussion
FourWheelDrift said:
Current 2017 lineup, lots of empty seats
Are you predicting Sauber and Renault to fold?| Team | Driver 1 | Driver 2 |
| Ferrari | Vettel | TBA |
| Force India | Hulkenberg | TBA |
| Haas | TBA | TBA |
| Manor | TBA | TBA |
| Mclaren | Alonso | TBA |
| Mercedes | Hamilton | TBA |
| Red Bull | Ricciardo | Verstappen |
| Torro Rosso | Sainz | TBA |
| Williams | TBA | TBA |
rsbmw said:
He's not outscoring FA this season!
Typically he's out-scored through dependability and bringing the car home than through anything special, where his more 'flamboyant' team mate will be more prone to 'incidents'. You wouldn't see him as a real challenger to Vettel or Hamilton at the moment surely?
Scoring points in the Mclaren is more lottery than talent at the moment sadly. Typically he's out-scored through dependability and bringing the car home than through anything special, where his more 'flamboyant' team mate will be more prone to 'incidents'. You wouldn't see him as a real challenger to Vettel or Hamilton at the moment surely?
Mr_Thyroid said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Current 2017 lineup, lots of empty seats
Are you predicting Sauber and Renault to fold?| Team | Driver 1 | Driver 2 |
| Ferrari | Vettel | TBA |
| Force India | Hulkenberg | TBA |
| Haas | TBA | TBA |
| Manor | TBA | TBA |
| Mclaren | Alonso | TBA |
| Mercedes | Hamilton | TBA |
| Red Bull | Ricciardo | Verstappen |
| Torro Rosso | Sainz | TBA |
| Williams | TBA | TBA |
It suggests Sauber and Renault haven't signed up to the 2017 regs yet. But then Sauber might be called something else next year.
if ron dennis got his head out of his arse it is the best option BUT he's so adamant that no one else is benefitting from honda that he's actually cutting off his own nose to spite his face!
mclaren is a pressure cooker it needs development they don't need a rookie who doesn't know which way to go they actually need JB and ALONSO for at least another year
OR what is the possibility of running 3 cars? is that allowed?
mclaren is a pressure cooker it needs development they don't need a rookie who doesn't know which way to go they actually need JB and ALONSO for at least another year
OR what is the possibility of running 3 cars? is that allowed?
stevesingo said:
That is the most sensible thing written on this page.
Free drivetrain in exchange for seats for good drivers.
It will never happen.
As for JB being a steady hand, good no 2 etc, I don't see Alonso walking all over him, LH never, nor any of his WDC team mates of the past.
Arguably one of the most underrated drivers about. It was only his time with Benetton under Flav that he looked a bit flakey and we all know what happened to him. Free drivetrain in exchange for seats for good drivers.
It will never happen.
As for JB being a steady hand, good no 2 etc, I don't see Alonso walking all over him, LH never, nor any of his WDC team mates of the past.
Smollet said:
Arguably one of the most underrated drivers about. It was only his time with Benetton under Flav that he looked a bit flakey and we all know what happened to him.
JB probably refused to cheat, he does seem one of the cleaner racers. Bit like Gary Lineker in football.I do wonder why Ron Dennis is so adamant no-one else can have the Honda powerplant. It's a bit like refusing to let anyone else use a 2013 car. Or to have a set of tyres from Kwik Fit. Unless he knows McLaren's chassis and aero isn't actually much good and letting someone else run the Honda would show them up? Bit like 2014 when McLaren ran the Mercedes engine and came in a long way behind
a) Mercedes
b) Williams-Mercedes
and only a little bit more than a race win ahead of:
c) Force India-Mercedes
col68 said:
JB has had his day, won a world championship, safe pair of hands granted, but Williams need a young charger and neither Bottas or Massa fit that bill in my opinion.......the sport is overflowing with pay drivers in one way or another and that is the problem.
I disagree. Very few "pay drivers" at the moment.There are drivers that bring sponsorship, but we have a grid rich with talent at the moment.
I am hoping for Rosberg to Williams (Seb would never accept him at Ferrari, would he? After the bumper cars act?), where he can practice racecraft further down the track.
Button to Ferrari would be wonderful, I think. They seem from afar like two personalities that would suit one another well. The pits would be very fun.
McLaren may be a boiler room, but I feel they need something to keep them relevant as their pace doesn't seem to be doing it; a historically fast team suddenly slow is news, but once the slow starts to become the history . . .
A hot young driver would make people see the brand again more often than the race results allow. It's one thing to have serious statesmen drivers without a main sponsor when you're winning races . . . oh wait, you have a main sponsor when you're winning races, don't you? What I find odd is that McLaren itself hasn't posted its own name in big fat letters down the naked sides of their cars to replace the test mule livery. It works for Haas (Grosjean in 10th place right now! Shocking. Only three points short of the total points for Alonso and JB both!).
Sorry for the bitter aside about McLaren's fall. I've always liked the team and find myself really disenchanted with the second coming of Ron.
I like Vandoorne for that seat.
Button to Ferrari would be wonderful, I think. They seem from afar like two personalities that would suit one another well. The pits would be very fun.
McLaren may be a boiler room, but I feel they need something to keep them relevant as their pace doesn't seem to be doing it; a historically fast team suddenly slow is news, but once the slow starts to become the history . . .
A hot young driver would make people see the brand again more often than the race results allow. It's one thing to have serious statesmen drivers without a main sponsor when you're winning races . . . oh wait, you have a main sponsor when you're winning races, don't you? What I find odd is that McLaren itself hasn't posted its own name in big fat letters down the naked sides of their cars to replace the test mule livery. It works for Haas (Grosjean in 10th place right now! Shocking. Only three points short of the total points for Alonso and JB both!).
Sorry for the bitter aside about McLaren's fall. I've always liked the team and find myself really disenchanted with the second coming of Ron.
I like Vandoorne for that seat.
Flooble said:
I do wonder why Ron Dennis is so adamant no-one else can have the Honda powerplant. It's a bit like refusing to let anyone else use a 2013 car. Or to have a set of tyres from Kwik Fit. Unless he knows McLaren's chassis and aero isn't actually much good and letting someone else run the Honda would show them up? Bit like 2014 when McLaren ran the Mercedes engine and came in a long way behind
a) Mercedes
b) Williams-Mercedes
and only a little bit more than a race win ahead of:
c) Force India-Mercedes
a) Mercedes
b) Williams-Mercedes
and only a little bit more than a race win ahead of:
c) Force India-Mercedes
&
There are drivers that bring sponsorship, but we have a grid rich with talent at the moment.Haryanto and Ericsson possibly. But yes lots of talent at the moment.
Vaud said:
col68 said:
JB has had his day, won a world championship, safe pair of hands granted, but Williams need a young charger and neither Bottas or Massa fit that bill in my opinion.......the sport is overflowing with pay drivers in one way or another and that is the problem.
I disagree. Very few "pay drivers" at the moment.There are drivers that bring sponsorship, but we have a grid rich with talent at the moment.
Inertiatic said:
Haryanto and Ericsson possibly. But yes lots of talent at the moment.
Possibly, but they have talent as well. My evidence?
Take Baku. No-one had driven their before, new track, surface, racing lines, etc. Look at the FP1,FP2 and FP3 times. Not 100% as they would have been running different strategies, but neither Haryanto or Ericsson were off pace compared to their team mate, and after FP1 the whole pack was covered by ~5 seconds.
That's my indicator that we have talent vs pay drivers at the moment.
Is the team allowed to run 3 cars?
If not then if Rosberg gets confirmed for merc (I hear Alonso is in the picture for either '17 or ''18)
McLaren have to be careful they don't want to get rid of button for Vandoorne to then lose nando at end of '17 as well and have 2 non wdc drivers sponsors will run a mile
Plus can mclaren afford to lose Santander as I believe they're jensons main sponsor
If not then if Rosberg gets confirmed for merc (I hear Alonso is in the picture for either '17 or ''18)
McLaren have to be careful they don't want to get rid of button for Vandoorne to then lose nando at end of '17 as well and have 2 non wdc drivers sponsors will run a mile
Plus can mclaren afford to lose Santander as I believe they're jensons main sponsor
lee_fr200 said:
Is the team allowed to run 3 cars?
No.The decision for Mclaren to make is if they want two experienced hands to develop the car and push it up the grid. If they think they can do that with a rookie (Vandoorne) in one seat there is no need to pay Jenson (I suspect Alonso's contract on both sides is tight as a ducks arse).
If they do decide to put Vandoorne in the car I reckon Jenson has two possibilities:
Williams - They might decide to bin one or both of their drivers. Possibly Wehrlein moves here with an
reduced cost engine deal. The team have always been keen on Bottas and whilst I don't think he's lived up to the hype I don't really see a reason to drop him.
If there is a seat free, they need a reason to pay Jenson over Massa. I am pretty sure Jenson will want more money than Massa, so its a case of does the extra money mean better results ?
Renault - Renault are rebuilding the team, Palmer was baggage when they bought it and I don't really see many redeeming features in either his performance or feeder series results. Magnussen I struggle with, he gave Jenson a run for his money on occasion in the Mclaren but other times doesn't really seem to shine. Need a better benchmark on him. Anyway, the point is if the team decide they want an experienced driver to help get up the grid Jenson could be a good choice, he's driven for Enstone before remember and with Bob Bell back there it could work well. All depends if they want to pay that much for a driver.
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