The Official 2016 British Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
We are in an era that will be talked of similarly to the battles between Senna and Prost in years to come. Enjoy it. Such times have been infrequent of late.
DS, I say this all the time to my "real world" mates. I honestly think people won't know what they've got until it's gone with LH. To have a multiple world champion, one that races with his heart on his sleeve and all while worshiping the "great" British public and our rich history. Well, I just think in 15 years time he'll be revered.NJK44 said:
cgt2 said:
I was discussing this subject, not specific to Rosberg, with a German friend of mine recently when we were talking about drivers. Not my opinions.
He told me:
Schumacher - worshipped in Germany still. Working class background, loved by all Germans. The lean Merc years did nothing to change the reverence people had for him.
Vettel - not liked so much in Red Bull era but much more popular now with Ferrari. Not worshipped like Schumacher though.
Hulkenberg - Very popular, especially after Le Mans.
Rosberg - not considered German, Monaco rich kid.
If this is a general opinion I'm sure the billion dollar Mercedes marketing machine would be aware of them.
He told me:
Schumacher - worshipped in Germany still. Working class background, loved by all Germans. The lean Merc years did nothing to change the reverence people had for him.
Vettel - not liked so much in Red Bull era but much more popular now with Ferrari. Not worshipped like Schumacher though.
Hulkenberg - Very popular, especially after Le Mans.
Rosberg - not considered German, Monaco rich kid.
If this is a general opinion I'm sure the billion dollar Mercedes marketing machine would be aware of them.
Crafty_ said:
I think Nico constantly looks for approval to be honest, the way he carries out interviews I find very odd
I agree, I almost find his post race interviews uncomfortable for the same reason.cgt2 said:
Bless him, for all his skills in the car, our Nige was absolutely horrible sometimes out of it. I found this scene hilarious when I first saw it and still do now with his whinging Brummie accent.
I'd actually find it quite entertaining if Rosberg threw a complete wobbly like this and went apesh*t, and people would respect him for dropping the facade...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQJo87QFsGc
Never seen that before, very entertaining! I must say, I see NR's behaviour the same as SV's with the multi21 episode. I actually didn't mind Seb doing all that chicanery, I just lost all respect for him when he couldn't just admit he'd done it. Fair play to him, he reacts in the way he feels comfortable but if he'd have said "ah well, never mind" I'd probably be supporting him still today.I'd actually find it quite entertaining if Rosberg threw a complete wobbly like this and went apesh*t, and people would respect him for dropping the facade...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQJo87QFsGc
I suppose we have to admit that Nige' wouldn't have been saying what he said if the camera wasn't there. Despite his protestations he knew how to play the game
A friend who worked with Williams during that era was telling me about how Nige would start hobbling and limping to gain sympathy when the cameras were nearby, then used to jog around (and play a lot of golf) otherwise.
Reminded me of an episode of Only Fools and Horses when Uncle Albert was hobbling around then cured by a miracle massage machine and overdid it a bit by starting to breakdance!
Reminded me of an episode of Only Fools and Horses when Uncle Albert was hobbling around then cured by a miracle massage machine and overdid it a bit by starting to breakdance!
cgt2 said:
A friend who worked with Williams during that era was telling me about how Nige would start hobbling and limping to gain sympathy when the cameras were nearby, then used to jog around (and play a lot of golf) otherwise.
Reminded me of an episode of Only Fools and Horses when Uncle Albert was hobbling around then cured by a miracle massage machine and overdid it a bit by starting to breakdance!
If you've not already done so, have a listen to Frank Dernie's podcast on the MotorSport website, more revelations about NM on there. I always suspected "our Nige" was a PITA to deal with as a driver, Dernie confirms as much (though he openly admits he and Mansell didn't see eye to eye).Reminded me of an episode of Only Fools and Horses when Uncle Albert was hobbling around then cured by a miracle massage machine and overdid it a bit by starting to breakdance!
Most of the piss-taking aimed at NM was justified it seemed (the only part Dernie felt objectionable was Piquet's intensely personal "attack" on Mansell's family, which he thought out of character for Piquet).
I got an invite to the Formula 1 Paddock Club for the British GP at Silverstone.
Just when people were starting to go home, who should turn up, on a monkey bike, but Our Nige. He shooed all adults away and said that he'd run any kids around the old runways on the bike. There was a queue of course.
No PR, no press, and a request of him for no photographs.
What got me though, on the way home I realised that the kids would go back to school and tell their classmates that, 'Nigel Mansel took me for a ride on his motorbike' and, if they were anything like my school, would get beaten up for telling lies.
Just when people were starting to go home, who should turn up, on a monkey bike, but Our Nige. He shooed all adults away and said that he'd run any kids around the old runways on the bike. There was a queue of course.
No PR, no press, and a request of him for no photographs.
What got me though, on the way home I realised that the kids would go back to school and tell their classmates that, 'Nigel Mansel took me for a ride on his motorbike' and, if they were anything like my school, would get beaten up for telling lies.
Another time there was a little bit of ill feeling between the Special Constabulary and the regulars. To be fair to my lads, there was a fairly big factor that started it. I thought of a way to show the specials that we thought a lot of them. Their boss was something of an F1 fan, and he knew I was something of a nerd.
I wrote of to Mansell, this when he was a special constable on the Isle of Man, explaining the problem and asking for a photograph of him in specials uniform.
I got a really pleasant hand-written letter in return, signed by him, with an A4 photograph, suitably inscribed. I stuck both on my office wall in frames from where they were later stolen.
I think he was the most exciting F1 driver I've ever seen. For entertainment value he was worth two of any other I've seen in my 50 years following the sport.
He can make out he's only got one leg for all I care. He was thrilling to watch.
The most memorable race I've ever seen was when he overtook Piquet on the Hanger Straight on the penultimate lap of a GP where there was only two cars in it.
I wrote of to Mansell, this when he was a special constable on the Isle of Man, explaining the problem and asking for a photograph of him in specials uniform.
I got a really pleasant hand-written letter in return, signed by him, with an A4 photograph, suitably inscribed. I stuck both on my office wall in frames from where they were later stolen.
I think he was the most exciting F1 driver I've ever seen. For entertainment value he was worth two of any other I've seen in my 50 years following the sport.
He can make out he's only got one leg for all I care. He was thrilling to watch.
The most memorable race I've ever seen was when he overtook Piquet on the Hanger Straight on the penultimate lap of a GP where there was only two cars in it.
I think Max is the next Lewis. He's gonna win titles for sure.
In other news, Rosberg set for a 5 grid place pen at Hungary? http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rosberg-faces-wa...
My fingers are crossed!
In other news, Rosberg set for a 5 grid place pen at Hungary? http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rosberg-faces-wa...
My fingers are crossed!
Derek Smith said:
I think he was the most exciting F1 driver I've ever seen. For entertainment value he was worth two of any other I've seen in my 50 years following the sport.
He can make out he's only got one leg for all I care. He was thrilling to watch.
I agree totally, which is why the shenanigans never bothered me. I enjoyed hearing about the dichotomy between his epic track performances and whinging brumminess out of the car but when a driver has that kind of talent we can overlook whatever they do off the racetrack. He can make out he's only got one leg for all I care. He was thrilling to watch.
Silverstone 1987 (and 1988 in the wet), Mexico 1990, Imola 1990 (that half spin on the grass) and of course Monaco 92 (when I thought he was going to drive over the top of Senna) are the kind of drives that made his legend.
If Nico Rosberg were capable of such feats then I wouldn't care if he he lied or was a complete ass out of the car. But he can't even handle a teenager!
NJK44 said:
I think Max is the next Lewis. He's gonna win titles for sure.
In other news, Rosberg set for a 5 grid place pen at Hungary? http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rosberg-faces-wa...
My fingers are crossed!
Max is a breath of fresh air. So mature and balanced for his age too.In other news, Rosberg set for a 5 grid place pen at Hungary? http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rosberg-faces-wa...
My fingers are crossed!
Toto's biggest mistake in hindsight may have been letting Max slip through Merc's fingers in 2014 when they pretty much had him. They didn't compromise on the third driver agreement they were offering Jos and he decided to put his boy with Red Bull.
Imagine the marketing appeal for Mercedes, not to mention the incredible racing we could have had if Max and Lewis were head to head in this year's championship. It could have been one of the greatest intra-team battles ever.
I have watched it again and still cannot believe that pass Max pulled on Sunday. His car was snaking and unstable on the way into the complex, his car control really is exemplary. If you showed me that footage and told me the guy driving was only 18 I would have refused to believe it.
cgt2 said:
I agree totally, which is why the shenanigans never bothered me. I enjoyed hearing about the dichotomy between his epic track performances and whinging brumminess out of the car but when a driver has that kind of talent we can overlook whatever they do off the racetrack.
Silverstone 1987 (and 1988 in the wet), Mexico 1990, Imola 1990 (that half spin on the grass) and of course Monaco 92 (when I thought he was going to drive over the top of Senna) are the kind of drives that made his legend.
If Nico Rosberg were capable of such feats then I wouldn't care if he he lied or was a complete ass out of the car. But he can't even handle a teenager!
I wasn't what you might call a fan of his initially. I enjoyed his driving, but was a Lotus fan, and when he left I followed others. I always looked forward to his driving though.Silverstone 1987 (and 1988 in the wet), Mexico 1990, Imola 1990 (that half spin on the grass) and of course Monaco 92 (when I thought he was going to drive over the top of Senna) are the kind of drives that made his legend.
If Nico Rosberg were capable of such feats then I wouldn't care if he he lied or was a complete ass out of the car. But he can't even handle a teenager!
However, I saw his qualifying lap at Silverstone in the Judd engined Williams against the mob in their turbo charged monsters. It was the best single lap I'd ever seen. It was thrilling. I was on the edge of my seat and he was on the edge of grip. You could see the car move steadily sideways through Club at astonishing speed, yet completely under control. Awe inspiring. From then on I was a fan.
cgt2 said:
Max is a breath of fresh air. So mature and balanced for his age too.
Toto's biggest mistake in hindsight may have been letting Max slip through Merc's fingers in 2014 when they pretty much had him. They didn't compromise on the third driver agreement they were offering Jos and he decided to put his boy with Red Bull.
Imagine the marketing appeal for Mercedes, not to mention the incredible racing we could have had if Max and Lewis were head to head in this year's championship. It could have been one of the greatest intra-team battles ever.
I have watched it again and still cannot believe that pass Max pulled on Sunday. His car was snaking and unstable on the way into the complex, his car control really is exemplary. If you showed me that footage and told me the guy driving was only 18 I would have refused to believe it.
For sure, he is something special. The last time I saw an overtake at the complex like that was Lewis Hamilton on Pique and Piccioni. Toto's biggest mistake in hindsight may have been letting Max slip through Merc's fingers in 2014 when they pretty much had him. They didn't compromise on the third driver agreement they were offering Jos and he decided to put his boy with Red Bull.
Imagine the marketing appeal for Mercedes, not to mention the incredible racing we could have had if Max and Lewis were head to head in this year's championship. It could have been one of the greatest intra-team battles ever.
I have watched it again and still cannot believe that pass Max pulled on Sunday. His car was snaking and unstable on the way into the complex, his car control really is exemplary. If you showed me that footage and told me the guy driving was only 18 I would have refused to believe it.
I hope we see max and Lewis in the same car before Lewis retires.
NJK44 said:
I think Max is the next Lewis. He's gonna win titles for sure.
In other news, Rosberg set for a 5 grid place pen at Hungary? http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rosberg-faces-wa...
My fingers are crossed!
Someone who knows about this posted earlier and even the article mentions "changes to gears and dog rings (excluding final drives or reduction gears) can be made for others with identical specification."In other news, Rosberg set for a 5 grid place pen at Hungary? http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rosberg-faces-wa...
My fingers are crossed!
It's an interesting concept that, a gearbox which has to last for six races but where you are allowed to replace the gears.
37chevy said:
Gary C said:
But the last one was not nr's fault and a bit pathetic.
A championship decided on penalties outside of the drivers control is not racing to me ( and I mean penalties, rather than a failure during a race, which has always been part of racing)
Slightly contradictory since it was a gearbox failure which basically caused the penalty. Same goes for Hamilton in Baku. Car in wrong setting wasn't his fault so I assume you'd be in favour of the engineer telling him the correct setting. I do understand and agree partly with your point though.A championship decided on penalties outside of the drivers control is not racing to me ( and I mean penalties, rather than a failure during a race, which has always been part of racing)
Personally I'd like to see the grid place drops for going over engine allocations removed and 5 point deductions from the constructor points instead.....after all it's a car failure and not a driver failure
I meant a terminal failure of a gearbox (or any other part) has always part of racing, but if the engineers and the driver can work out a way to keep racing, then that's fine by me. I remember years ago, an ex racer commentating said something along the lines of "every driver out there will be coping with some sort of problem, driving around them is part of the skill".
Would the sky have fallen in at Baku if they had told Lewis the right setting ?, would we have thought any less about his driving abilities ?, does Nico deserve to loose 3 points because he and his team coped with a degraded gearbox ?, I don't think so.
good thing about radio, we get to know what's going on. I like that.
Gary C said:
Would the sky have fallen in at Baku if they had told Lewis the right setting? Would we have thought any less about his driving abilities? Does Nico deserve to lose 3 points because he and his team coped with a degraded gearbox? I don't think so. Good thing about radio, we get to know what's going on. I like that.
The answer is no to those questions, and I agree, it's daft. Derek Smith said:
Another time there was a little bit of ill feeling between the Special Constabulary and the regulars. To be fair to my lads, there was a fairly big factor that started it. I thought of a way to show the specials that we thought a lot of them. Their boss was something of an F1 fan, and he knew I was something of a nerd.
I wrote of to Mansell, this when he was a special constable on the Isle of Man, explaining the problem and asking for a photograph of him in specials uniform.
I got a really pleasant hand-written letter in return, signed by him, with an A4 photograph, suitably inscribed. I stuck both on my office wall in frames from where they were later stolen.
I think he was the most exciting F1 driver I've ever seen. For entertainment value he was worth two of any other I've seen in my 50 years following the sport.
He can make out he's only got one leg for all I care. He was thrilling to watch.
The most memorable race I've ever seen was when he overtook Piquet on the Hanger Straight on the penultimate lap of a GP where there was only two cars in it.
I completely agree, Mansell was the most inventive and exciting driver of his era. His over taking ability was spectacular and peerless. When you here Frank Williams recall the Mansell era you can feel that he mixed feelings and some regret for allowing Prost into Nigel's team. The man was robbed of being a multiple world champion by misfortune and politics.I wrote of to Mansell, this when he was a special constable on the Isle of Man, explaining the problem and asking for a photograph of him in specials uniform.
I got a really pleasant hand-written letter in return, signed by him, with an A4 photograph, suitably inscribed. I stuck both on my office wall in frames from where they were later stolen.
I think he was the most exciting F1 driver I've ever seen. For entertainment value he was worth two of any other I've seen in my 50 years following the sport.
He can make out he's only got one leg for all I care. He was thrilling to watch.
The most memorable race I've ever seen was when he overtook Piquet on the Hanger Straight on the penultimate lap of a GP where there was only two cars in it.
He was great with all of us fans at Le Mans a few years ago and you could hardly get down the pit lane. Shame about that puncture. I saw his last race at Montmelo in 1995 when he left the McLaren mule out on the track.
RichB said:
Gary C said:
Would the sky have fallen in at Baku if they had told Lewis the right setting? Would we have thought any less about his driving abilities? Does Nico deserve to lose 3 points because he and his team coped with a degraded gearbox? I don't think so. Good thing about radio, we get to know what's going on. I like that.
The answer is no to those questions, and I agree, it's daft. 
I was watching with friends and said to them that the last person I saw do that, was Hamilton in GP2 
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