The Official 2016 British Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
Flooble said:
It's an interesting concept that, a gearbox which has to last for six races but where you are allowed to replace the gears.
This is nothing new and parts being replaced goes on reasonably often.I can remember RBR doing this on Sunday morningso several times during their dominant period. All they need to do is ask the stewards, they then get permission to swap bits out.
https://vimeo.com/174607578
Onboards of some great moments in this race. Some exquisite car control on display here.
That new camera angle is a revelation. Rosberg chasing Max from that view, you can feel the vibrations and bumps through the footage...reminiscent of old school F1 onboards.
Onboards of some great moments in this race. Some exquisite car control on display here.
That new camera angle is a revelation. Rosberg chasing Max from that view, you can feel the vibrations and bumps through the footage...reminiscent of old school F1 onboards.
Edited by Dr Z on Friday 15th July 09:38
Dr Z said:
https://vimeo.com/174607578
Onboards of some great moments in this race. Some exquisite car control on display here.
That new camera angle is a revelation. Rosberg chasing Max from that view, you can feel the vibrations and bumps through the footage...reminiscent of old school F1 onboards.
Thank you, fantastic video. Boy that Max has some balls for a kid! The footage of him fighting a squirming car just before taking Rosberg in the complex is incredible.Onboards of some great moments in this race. Some exquisite car control on display here.
That new camera angle is a revelation. Rosberg chasing Max from that view, you can feel the vibrations and bumps through the footage...reminiscent of old school F1 onboards.
Edited by Dr Z on Friday 15th July 09:38
When I saw that the video was half an hour long I thought I'd never watch the whole thing but here I am half an hour later... It was great. I want to see more lingering driver's eye shots.
I was cringing watching Rosberg's gear changes behind the safety car, I suppose you can get away with it as the gearboxes are so smooth...
Verstappen's lines were quite different and clearly effective, and his overtake around the outside at Becketts...
I was cringing watching Rosberg's gear changes behind the safety car, I suppose you can get away with it as the gearboxes are so smooth...
Verstappen's lines were quite different and clearly effective, and his overtake around the outside at Becketts...
cgt2 said:
Thank you, fantastic video. Boy that Max has some balls for a kid! The footage of him fighting a squirming car just before taking Rosberg in the complex is incredible.
Very brave indeed, simply throwing the car into some fairly large puddles while deftly catching any slides, presumably to cool the Intermediates down from overheating. In contrast, Rosberg was resolutely sticking to the dry line, meekly going into a damp patch once or twice. 
I suspect Rosberg's tyres were a lot more slick-like wearing down the water clearing treads on the Inters as I'd expect it to, if you drive on the dry line all the time. I noticed Rosberg put his front left on the damp kerb (@ 13:40 on the vid) and lost the front end briefly in the corner (as the front right was on a bone dry track) allowing Max to close up to him and overtake. Maybe if Rosberg had looked after his Inters better, he might have been able to defend better. He was so focussed on closing the gap down to Hamilton, driving flat out on the dry line. I thought it was pretty cool how Max set up that overtake. I do wonder how different it might have been if he'd been chasing Ricciardo or Hamilton.
kambites said:
Slightly odd that even after the notorious radio message, Nico seems to still be making full use of 7th gear?
There was a post earlier on in the thread that seemed to make sense of this, but yes he did seem to be using the offending gear after the chassis default message and not trying to avoid it, as you would if you were requested to shift through it.HustleRussell said:
When I saw that the video was half an hour long I thought I'd never watch the whole thing but here I am half an hour later... It was great. I want to see more lingering driver's eye shots.
I was cringing watching Rosberg's gear changes behind the safety car, I suppose you can get away with it as the gearboxes are so smooth...
Verstappen's lines were quite different and clearly effective, and his overtake around the outside at Becketts...
I just watched it again, for the benefit of the uneducated could you point out what Rosberg was doing with his gear changes? Only thing I noticed was that he seemed to keep taking his left hand off the wheel for something, I don't really know what I'm looking at, it'd be good to see. Wooo, just saw Verstappen's tank slapper again now ... I was cringing watching Rosberg's gear changes behind the safety car, I suppose you can get away with it as the gearboxes are so smooth...
Verstappen's lines were quite different and clearly effective, and his overtake around the outside at Becketts...
Flooble said:
HustleRussell said:
When I saw that the video was half an hour long I thought I'd never watch the whole thing but here I am half an hour later... It was great. I want to see more lingering driver's eye shots.
I was cringing watching Rosberg's gear changes behind the safety car, I suppose you can get away with it as the gearboxes are so smooth...
Verstappen's lines were quite different and clearly effective, and his overtake around the outside at Becketts...
I just watched it again, for the benefit of the uneducated could you point out what Rosberg was doing with his gear changes? Only thing I noticed was that he seemed to keep taking his left hand off the wheel for something, I don't really know what I'm looking at, it'd be good to see. Wooo, just saw Verstappen's tank slapper again now ... I was cringing watching Rosberg's gear changes behind the safety car, I suppose you can get away with it as the gearboxes are so smooth...
Verstappen's lines were quite different and clearly effective, and his overtake around the outside at Becketts...
monamimate said:
Flooble said:
HustleRussell said:
When I saw that the video was half an hour long I thought I'd never watch the whole thing but here I am half an hour later... It was great. I want to see more lingering driver's eye shots.
I was cringing watching Rosberg's gear changes behind the safety car, I suppose you can get away with it as the gearboxes are so smooth...
Verstappen's lines were quite different and clearly effective, and his overtake around the outside at Becketts...
I just watched it again, for the benefit of the uneducated could you point out what Rosberg was doing with his gear changes? Only thing I noticed was that he seemed to keep taking his left hand off the wheel for something, I don't really know what I'm looking at, it'd be good to see. Wooo, just saw Verstappen's tank slapper again now ... I was cringing watching Rosberg's gear changes behind the safety car, I suppose you can get away with it as the gearboxes are so smooth...
Verstappen's lines were quite different and clearly effective, and his overtake around the outside at Becketts...
kambites said:
Slightly odd that even after the notorious radio message, Nico seems to still be making full use of 7th gear?
That is odd unless (and I'll have to watch it again) the on screen graphics got confused with the jump from 6th to 8th and then was out of sync with what gear he was in. The screen graphics thinking his change from 8th to 6th was 8th to 7th and so it was one gear to high on screen when below 8th. I suppose it would probably need a setting change to jump 7th and not register as a change, maybe that is what the engineer's default 0 1 was, could it be a setting that avoids gear problems and automatically jumps the bad gear?HustleRussell said:
Yeah I was expecting this, to be honest I'm not watching the whole thing again but what piqued my interest was a slightly odd short shift on the way into a corner where the lower gear would've been fine and a couple of mid-corner downshifts all of which you'd probably avoid in the conditions in most cars but as I said before I suppose the gearboxes are so seamless that they don't have to worry about it- and, more interestingly, the Mercedes hybrid PUs must have great 'drivability' for want of a better word, having smooth torque delivery from very low revs... Most engines just don't deliver that smoothly that low in their rev range and you don't use it in the wet purely because it's easy to get caught out if the engine gets into its torque band mid corner. Presumably the drivers have about a dozen 'wet' PU modes to choose from which smooth out the torque band at the expense of outright power.
So, essentially, he's relying on the car to handle things for him whereas in a more manual car he'd have spun up his wheels or spun off? Downshifting mid-corner isn't something I noticed but agree that would be a strange thing to do in the wet unless he had dropped out of the power band entirely. Shame Rosberg was the only one with the low down camera so we can't directly compare with Hamilton. Hamilton forgot to turn off his wet switch (light at the rear was flashing even when they went to slicks) so he's not entirely infallible himself. There was definitely still some "snapping" on the Rosberg's car when he put the power down though, most evident from Verstappen's view following just after the safety car came in.
I suppose that behind the safety car, Hamilton had the best view of all of the racing drivers and with the luxury of being in front with comparatively good visibility he appears to be making a constant effort to warm his tyres and brakes whereas when you're on board with Rosberg he has worse visibility and will probably be mainly focused on staying close to Hamilton without being caught out by his abrupt braking and accelerating and crashing into him- and seems to sort of cruise around and not make such an effort with managing his temperatures.
It is actually very hard to follow behind a safety car in the rain especially if you're not P1. If your P1 you only have the safety car to worry about and you get to set the pace until the re-start. Everyone behind P1 is trying to see whether the safety car lights are still on through the spray, while trying to stay as close as possible to the car in front (which is swerving / stopping / accelerating all over the shop), while watching the mirrors fearful that the car behind might hit you, while managing your own tyre and brake temps and then having to anticipate the lead driver bolting and trying not to get mugged while ensuring that you don't overtake anyone before the re-start line. It's surprising we don't see more accidents behind SC.
HustleRussell said:
It is actually very hard to follow behind a safety car in the rain especially if you're not P1. If your P1 you only have the safety car to worry about and you get to set the pace until the re-start. Everyone behind P1 is trying to see whether the safety car lights are still on through the spray, while trying to stay as close as possible to the car in front (which is swerving / stopping / accelerating all over the shop), while watching the mirrors fearful that the car behind might hit you, while managing your own tyre and brake temps and then having to anticipate the lead driver bolting and trying not to get mugged while ensuring that you don't overtake anyone before the re-start line. It's surprising we don't see more accidents behind SC.
Yes, it's like being in a melee the further down you go. Although the F1 guys have the radio and dashboard lights to let them know when the safety car is coming in? So they can at least concentrate on, um, not crashing. Ironic that the person who came closest to wiping out was Hamilton though. That would have taken some explaining - er, yes, I crashed into the back of the Safety Car!
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