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ZX10R NIN said:
They had a problem at Silverstone in that they gave penalties for certain corners rather than the whole circuit then palmer got a lap deleted by going all four off at Abbey & others didn't then they said it would only be certain corners this evolved in qualifying.
I was under the impression the relevant corners were agreed and declared before qualifying, but could easily be wrong.ERIKM400 said:
Right, so let's see if I get this...
If no one is allowed to set a fastest lap during the last minute of Q3 on a rapidly drying and improving track because Alonso had a spin and this gives Lewis Hamilton pole position handed on a plate then that's OK and proof of how he's the greatest racing driver ever.
But if Nico Rosberg sees an opportunity, lifting just enough not to get penalized by the FIA, and secures pole position, then he's cheating???
FFS, these guys are racing in what is supposed to be the ultimate series in motorsport, they're not going to give each other presents.
If you want everyone to slow down the same way under yellow flags, the FIA should impose a sector speed limit when yellow flags are waved instead of the arbitrary rule that states they have to lift "enough" under yellow.
My emphasis. This is where I really disagree. This is what killed Jules. This is why Alonso ran into a wreck at Interlagos. We've moved on - we don't have to tolerate this in an era of VSC. We don't have to put marshals in the line of fire. F1 should be setting an example so that everyone agrees that yellows are something to slow for. Not to flick the telemetry to show you've seen them, but to actually change things. If no one is allowed to set a fastest lap during the last minute of Q3 on a rapidly drying and improving track because Alonso had a spin and this gives Lewis Hamilton pole position handed on a plate then that's OK and proof of how he's the greatest racing driver ever.
But if Nico Rosberg sees an opportunity, lifting just enough not to get penalized by the FIA, and secures pole position, then he's cheating???
FFS, these guys are racing in what is supposed to be the ultimate series in motorsport, they're not going to give each other presents.
If you want everyone to slow down the same way under yellow flags, the FIA should impose a sector speed limit when yellow flags are waved instead of the arbitrary rule that states they have to lift "enough" under yellow.
Jez
TheInternet said:
ZX10R NIN said:
They had a problem at Silverstone in that they gave penalties for certain corners rather than the whole circuit then palmer got a lap deleted by going all four off at Abbey & others didn't then they said it would only be certain corners this evolved in qualifying.
I was under the impression the relevant corners were agreed and declared before qualifying, but could easily be wrong."I think there’s a real problem for a circuit like this – I had a lap deleted and it was fair-dos: we all know the rules."
then I conclude it was probably at one of the three known corners.
Jez
SmoothCriminal said:
Apparently Hamilton was 4 tenths up on rosberg in the first sector of his aborted lap.....
Yes, and so was Ricciardo. Lewis getting pole wasn't a done deal.I'm just teed off that Yellow flags are not enforced strictly. Lifting briefly under double waved yellows is not enough. It was the same for Hulkenberg a few races ago.
ETA: Having replayed the sector times, only Hamilton was 0.4s up on the others in S1. But the Red Bulls have been quicker than the Merc in S2 and we never really got to see what they could do. It was also neck and neck between the Merc and RB in S3. It's a shame, it could have been a proper battle.
Edited by Dr Z on Saturday 23 July 18:53
Gary C said:
jbudgie said:
Eric Mc said:
To be honest, that was a most unsatisfactory end to what should have been a right, royal duel.
Interesting how Susie Wolff punctured Jones' over-hyped bubble. Good for her.
I turned it off after the session ended.Interesting how Susie Wolff punctured Jones' over-hyped bubble. Good for her.
What did Susie Wolff say?
Obvious isn't it ?
jbudgie said:
Gary C said:
jbudgie said:
Eric Mc said:
To be honest, that was a most unsatisfactory end to what should have been a right, royal duel.
Interesting how Susie Wolff punctured Jones' over-hyped bubble. Good for her.
I turned it off after the session ended.Interesting how Susie Wolff punctured Jones' over-hyped bubble. Good for her.
What did Susie Wolff say?
Obvious isn't it ?
Dr Z said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Apparently Hamilton was 4 tenths up on rosberg in the first sector of his aborted lap.....
Yes, and so was Ricciardo. Lewis getting pole wasn't a done deal.I'm just teed off that Yellow flags are not enforced strictly. Lifting briefly under double waved yellows is not enough. It was the same for Hulkenberg a few races ago.
"The driver and team representative are required to report to the Stewards at 19:45 in relation to the
incident below.
No / Driver 6 – Nico Rosberg
Reason Alleged breach of Appendix H, Article 2.4.5.1 b) of the FIA International Sporting
Code, failure to slow for yellow flags at 15:54."
Ian Lancs said:
Dr Z said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Apparently Hamilton was 4 tenths up on rosberg in the first sector of his aborted lap.....
Yes, and so was Ricciardo. Lewis getting pole wasn't a done deal.I'm just teed off that Yellow flags are not enforced strictly. Lifting briefly under double waved yellows is not enough. It was the same for Hulkenberg a few races ago.
However, they should reset the expectation and demand or enforce a major slowdown under double yellows as they are meant to save lives.
Gary C said:
jbudgie said:
Gary C said:
jbudgie said:
Eric Mc said:
To be honest, that was a most unsatisfactory end to what should have been a right, royal duel.
Interesting how Susie Wolff punctured Jones' over-hyped bubble. Good for her.
I turned it off after the session ended.Interesting how Susie Wolff punctured Jones' over-hyped bubble. Good for her.
What did Susie Wolff say?
Obvious isn't it ?
Gary C said:
Ian Lancs said:
Dr Z said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Apparently Hamilton was 4 tenths up on rosberg in the first sector of his aborted lap.....
Yes, and so was Ricciardo. Lewis getting pole wasn't a done deal.I'm just teed off that Yellow flags are not enforced strictly. Lifting briefly under double waved yellows is not enough. It was the same for Hulkenberg a few races ago.
However, they should reset the expectation and demand or enforce a major slowdown under double yellows as they are meant to save lives.
Eta...his was double yellows but he was deemed to have slowed enough. Other drivers were penalized at the same time for not slowing enough though.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125099
Edited by London424 on Saturday 23 July 18:43
Here is a funny one for you. My son is racing in Germany and qualified P2 on the grid. Yesterday, in free practice under a red flag situation, he was instructed by a marshal to cross the track so he did. 1 day later, and after qualifying, he was given a 5 grid place penalty for crossing the track under a red flag. The stewards told him him should not have followed the instruction as he knew it to be wrong and the penalty stood. Now, a penalty for following an instruction is one thing so I wonder what the stewards would have done had he indeed ignored the marshal. The point I am trying to make is that the FIA and stewards are just so inconsistent, always have been and always will be so no matter who we support we just have to suck it up. Livens up the debate though 😀😀😀 Btw, he started P7, was P3 by the first corner, P1 by the 3rd corner and went on to win so all is good 😀😀😀
Gary C said:
If Rosberg loses pole, that won't be right given hulkenbergs rulling last race, Rosberg did what you would want of any top class driver, maximised any advantage within the letter of the rules.
However, they should reset the expectation and demand or enforce a major slowdown under double yellows as they are meant to save lives.
Seems like a contradiction to me.However, they should reset the expectation and demand or enforce a major slowdown under double yellows as they are meant to save lives.
jbudgie said:
Gary C said:
jbudgie said:
Gary C said:
jbudgie said:
Eric Mc said:
To be honest, that was a most unsatisfactory end to what should have been a right, royal duel.
Interesting how Susie Wolff punctured Jones' over-hyped bubble. Good for her.
I turned it off after the session ended.Interesting how Susie Wolff punctured Jones' over-hyped bubble. Good for her.
What did Susie Wolff say?
Obvious isn't it ?
It was a slightly ironic comment on Susie wolfs irrelevance, sorry you could not get that,
Must be a bit backward
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TonyToniTone said:
Gary C said:
If Rosberg loses pole, that won't be right given hulkenbergs rulling last race, Rosberg did what you would want of any top class driver, maximised any advantage within the letter of the rules.
However, they should reset the expectation and demand or enforce a major slowdown under double yellows as they are meant to save lives.
Seems like a contradiction to me.However, they should reset the expectation and demand or enforce a major slowdown under double yellows as they are meant to save lives.
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