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750turbo said:
Hmmm
This is all about various drivers missing 107%... https://twitter.com/tedkravitz/status/756899849300...The Rosberg issue is resolved, the 107% thing is under deliberation apparently.
Seems I missed some drama.... 3 hours after qualifying the FIA decide to investigate Rosberg for the yellow flag and a bunch of others on the 107% rule. This reminds me of the bad old days of F1 when the races were decided in the stewards room or courts days after the event.
FIA need to sort themselves out.... the various bulls
t over the last few races has been ridiculous... it is almost like they are trying to confuse people and push fans away from the sport.
FIA need to sort themselves out.... the various bulls
t over the last few races has been ridiculous... it is almost like they are trying to confuse people and push fans away from the sport. 
Z3MCJez said:
He made a right horlicks of the first sector though - I haven't seen the time but he was all over the place.
These were the sector times for the Mercs/RBs. I've included the previous best S2 and S3 for the RBs and Hamilton, and the S1 time from the final run. Rosberg's sector times were from the final run--his S1 time was close to the RB times. RB were the weakest in S1 all weekend.| Driver | S1 | S2 | S3 |
| Hamilton | 27.955 | 29.290 | 22.519 |
| Rosberg | 28.377 | 28.759 | 22.829 |
| Ricciardo | 28.347 | 29.016 | 22.751 |
| Verstappen | 28.364 | 29.010 | 22.726 |
Rosberg gained a couple of tenths in S2 from his previous best, but lost a couple of tenths in S3 from his PB. Seemed to even it out, but not a great lap for pole to be honest. The Red Bulls were quicker then the Mercs in S2 all weekend. I'm a bit miffed that they didn't get to show that in the final run!
Edited by Dr Z on Saturday 23 July 19:29
750turbo said:
Hmmm
Rosberg for not lifting and those for being over 107% qualifying time in mass rule infringement revenge.https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/7569156563...
https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/7569161106...
I think Rosberg is a very lucky boy today. But the FIA have set themselves up to be sued into oblivion when there is another accident under yellow flags. Which there will be somewhere.
The 107% will get thrown out. Rightly. Half the grid never got a run at the end of Q1 due to the red flags. Everyone who has a 107% time from practice will be fine. So, everyone. This even has precedent. Ericsson at Silverstone most recently where he didn't even run in qualifying.
Jez
The 107% will get thrown out. Rightly. Half the grid never got a run at the end of Q1 due to the red flags. Everyone who has a 107% time from practice will be fine. So, everyone. This even has precedent. Ericsson at Silverstone most recently where he didn't even run in qualifying.
Jez
Dr Z said:
These were the sector times for the Mercs/RBs. I've included the previous best S2 and S3 for the RBs and Hamilton, and the S1 time from the final run. Rosberg's sector times were from the final run--his S1 time was close to the RB times. RB were the weakest in S1 all weekend.
Rosberg gained a couple of tenths in S2 from his previous best, but lost a couple of tenths in S3 from his PB. Seemed to even it out, but not a great lap for pole to be honest. The Red Bulls were quicker then the Mercs in S2 all weekend. I'm a bit miffed that they didn't get to show that in the final run!
Given that the trackw as faster on the last run imho Rosberg would have ended up 3rd behind Lewis and Ricciardo had they got their final runs in.| Driver | S1 | S2 | S3 |
| Hamilton | 27.955 | 29.290 | 22.519 |
| Rosberg | 28.377 | 28.759 | 22.829 |
| Ricciardo | 28.347 | 29.016 | 22.751 |
| Verstappen | 28.364 | 29.010 | 22.726 |
Rosberg gained a couple of tenths in S2 from his previous best, but lost a couple of tenths in S3 from his PB. Seemed to even it out, but not a great lap for pole to be honest. The Red Bulls were quicker then the Mercs in S2 all weekend. I'm a bit miffed that they didn't get to show that in the final run!
Edited by Dr Z on Saturday 23 July 19:29
Confirmed no further action taken. difficult one for the stewards as it was a drying track, especially given the presidents set in the past. I still think it stinks that he has gained an advantage through a yellow flag but hey ho..long race tomorrow
I do HOWEVER think the rule needs re addressing....again as a marshal it's a pet hate of mine that a driver says he's lifted....and therefore it's enough, despite the fact they are doing well over 100mph. The rule is open to interpretation and not black/ white as it should be when a rule concerns safety. Slow zones/ code 60 are the way forward me thinks
I do HOWEVER think the rule needs re addressing....again as a marshal it's a pet hate of mine that a driver says he's lifted....and therefore it's enough, despite the fact they are doing well over 100mph. The rule is open to interpretation and not black/ white as it should be when a rule concerns safety. Slow zones/ code 60 are the way forward me thinks
Crafty_ said:
Given that the trackw as faster on the last run imho Rosberg would have ended up 3rd behind Lewis and Ricciardo had they got their final runs in.
Indeed. And it would have been fourth if Max had got to the start line. It's a shame he didn't as I'd like to have seen how much he would have backed off for the yellows, and they might even have been clear by then. If he'd backed off more than Nico, then I think Nico might have been penalised. 4ths slower than Hamilton was rubbish though.
Jez
37chevy said:
Confirmed no further action taken. difficult one for the stewards as it was a drying track, especially given the presidents set in the past. I still think it stinks that he has gained an advantage through a yellow flag but hey ho..long race tomorrow
I do HOWEVER think the rule needs re addressing....again as a marshal it's a pet hate of mine that a driver says he's lifted....and therefore it's enough, despite the fact they are doing well over 100mph. The rule is open to interpretation and not black/ white as it should be when a rule concerns safety. Slow zones/ code 60 are the way forward me thinks
I agree. The drivers are pushing their luck. It is risky enough for the marshals anyway, as we've seen in the past. Double yellows should mean lifting and an abandoned sector in qually. Should it be that if you drive through a yellow sector in qually you lose the time? Perhaps some electronic device in the car to signal a reduction in speed? Don't comply and you're penalised. There has to be a method of ensuring compliance.I do HOWEVER think the rule needs re addressing....again as a marshal it's a pet hate of mine that a driver says he's lifted....and therefore it's enough, despite the fact they are doing well over 100mph. The rule is open to interpretation and not black/ white as it should be when a rule concerns safety. Slow zones/ code 60 are the way forward me thinks
There have been too many near misses and too many times when it hasn't been a near miss.
Look at this from Austria. Jolyon penalised for not slowing significantly (3 grid places) and confirmation that nobody know what significantly means, and that because you can see a problem, you mustn't assume there isn't another.
I can't copy the link. Sorry. This is what it says:
Jen
I can't copy the link. Sorry. This is what it says:
fia said:
The telemetry clearly showed that the driver made no reduction in speed and was at full acceleration through the yellow flag area. Notwithstanding the fact the driver could see the disabled Car 55 on the side of the track, the regulations are clear that on display of double yellow flags a significant reduction in speed must be made. This did not happen in this case.
It is noted by the Stewards that there appears to be a lack of understanding of the requirement for a significant reduction in speed where double yellow flags are displayed and that drivers should not assume that what is in their field of vision is the only hazard to which the flags refer.
Nico has survived on the first line. But the second paragraph is acknowledgement that nobody understands the rule. And what did they do ...It is noted by the Stewards that there appears to be a lack of understanding of the requirement for a significant reduction in speed where double yellow flags are displayed and that drivers should not assume that what is in their field of vision is the only hazard to which the flags refer.
Jen
Edited by Z3MCJez on Saturday 23 July 20:04
Derek Smith said:
I agree. The drivers are pushing their luck. It is risky enough for the marshals anyway, as we've seen in the past. Double yellows should mean lifting and an abandoned sector in qually. Should it be that if you drive through a yellow sector in qually you lose the time? Perhaps some electronic device in the car to signal a reduction in speed? Don't comply and you're penalised. There has to be a method of ensuring compliance.
There have been too many near misses and too many times when it hasn't been a near miss.
AgreedThere have been too many near misses and too many times when it hasn't been a near miss.
Unfortunately the FIA/ msa seem very reactive rather than proactive with yellow flag infringements. I've been aimed at a few times while attending a stricken car under yellows, drivers get penalised afterwards but it shouldn't get to that point. I remember a particularly bad incident in f3 a few years back, double yellows, car on the edge of the circuit with marshals and snatch vehicle in attendance, first few cars go through flat but then the next few lose it hitting the stricken car and snatch vehicle, missing the marshals by inches. Drivers CANNOT be allowed to make a judgement call in these situations, the decision should be made for them and not open to interpretation
VolvoT5 said:
Gossip on twitter now is that the FIA are going to be 'strict' with enforcing the 107% rule. Could see various drivers sent to the back and a big boost for McLaren and Ferrari.
Big losers will be the Red Bulls who were outside 107% in Q1. But a later rule states that the top 10 will be made up of those who competed in Q3. With that contradiction, surely stewards will come to the right answer. Jez
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