The Official 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
VolvoT5 said:
Gossip on twitter now is that the FIA are going to be 'strict' with enforcing the 107% rule. Could see various drivers sent to the back and a big boost for McLaren and Ferrari.
Ahh yes let's be strict on the 107% rule, and running wide to gain an advantage, but not on safety issues like going too fast under yellows....typical FIAsco
s?suffolk009 said:
Z3MCJez said:
ERIKM400 said:
Right, so let's see if I get this...
If no one is allowed to set a fastest lap during the last minute of Q3 on a rapidly drying and improving track because Alonso had a spin and this gives Lewis Hamilton pole position handed on a plate then that's OK and proof of how he's the greatest racing driver ever.
But if Nico Rosberg sees an opportunity, lifting just enough not to get penalized by the FIA, and secures pole position, then he's cheating???
FFS, these guys are racing in what is supposed to be the ultimate series in motorsport, they're not going to give each other presents.
If you want everyone to slow down the same way under yellow flags, the FIA should impose a sector speed limit when yellow flags are waved instead of the arbitrary rule that states they have to lift "enough" under yellow.
My emphasis. This is where I really disagree. This is what killed Jules. This is why Alonso ran into a wreck at Interlagos. We've moved on - we don't have to tolerate this in an era of VSC. We don't have to put marshals in the line of fire. F1 should be setting an example so that everyone agrees that yellows are something to slow for. Not to flick the telemetry to show you've seen them, but to actually change things. If no one is allowed to set a fastest lap during the last minute of Q3 on a rapidly drying and improving track because Alonso had a spin and this gives Lewis Hamilton pole position handed on a plate then that's OK and proof of how he's the greatest racing driver ever.
But if Nico Rosberg sees an opportunity, lifting just enough not to get penalized by the FIA, and secures pole position, then he's cheating???
FFS, these guys are racing in what is supposed to be the ultimate series in motorsport, they're not going to give each other presents.
If you want everyone to slow down the same way under yellow flags, the FIA should impose a sector speed limit when yellow flags are waved instead of the arbitrary rule that states they have to lift "enough" under yellow.
Jez
Yellow flags SHOULD mean a speed limit. But the FIA will have to impose a speed limit for the sector under under yellow.
For the moment the rule is completely arbitrary (as I stated above): you have to slow "enough". But that's completely up to the driver to decide. If they were doing 320 km/h before the yellow flags came out, they may think that going 280 km/h is "appropriate".
I can tell you that when I'm on my knees in a gravel trap delivering medical care to an injured driver with cars flying past 20m from me, 280 km/h is NOT an appropiate speed. It scares the hell out of me.
I do however not agree that this is what killed Jules Bianchi. The stupid safety car system which makes back runners go flat out when the safety car is on track, hoping they can hook up with the rest of the field is one of the major reasons for Jules fatal accident. This and the fact that the medical helicopters were grounded because of the weather (which according to the FIA rules SHOULD have meant no racing).
Superbad said:
Did Rosberg ignore them then? FIA confirm that his car telementry showed he'd slowed significantly.
No - telemetry shows he lifted. Stewards ruled on it being significant. The telemetry doesn't make a decision on what is or isn't significant. I think the stewards got this wrong. But hey, that's far from the worst ruling of the weekend. I'll stop being so pedantic, but my point is that it's individuals who make decisions and they have been making more and more that I disagree with this year. That they have more information than me doesn't automatically make them right.
Jez
VolvoT5 said:
Nah, teams are appealing to be allowed to race now, in which case the practice times become valid. Seems like a weird situation to me. Andrew Benson has backtracked on his previous tweet as well.
From my understanding of the rules if you are out of 107% you have to appeal to stewards to be allowed to race.If appeal is successful, you must start from the back of the grid. ??
VolvoT5 said:
Daz68 said:
Anyone got a revised grid?
Nah, teams are appealing to be allowed to race now, in which case the practice times become valid. Seems like a weird situation to me. Andrew Benson has backtracked on his previous tweet as well. 
ERIKM400 said:
You know what, I absolutely agree with the both of you two (BTW I'm one of the people in the line of fire trackside at a lot of races in Belgium and abroad).
Yellow flags SHOULD mean a speed limit. But the FIA will have to impose a speed limit for the sector under under yellow.
For the moment the rule is completely arbitrary (as I stated above): you have to slow "enough". But that's completely up to the driver to decide. If they were doing 320 km/h before the yellow flags came out, they may think that going 280 km/h is "appropriate".
I can tell you that when I'm on my knees in a gravel trap delivering medical care to an injured driver with cars flying past 20m from me, 280 km/h is NOT an appropiate speed. It scares the hell out of me.
I do however not agree that this is what killed Jules Bianchi. The stupid safety car system which makes back runners go flat out when the safety car is on track, hoping they can hook up with the rest of the field is one of the major reasons for Jules fatal accident. This and the fact that the medical helicopters were grounded because of the weather (which according to the FIA rules SHOULD have meant no racing).
Jules crashed under double waved yellows. Not SC. I think your penultimate statement therefore is straight wrong. The helicopter point is of course a contributory factor, as is the fact that they couldn't clear the traffic for the ambulance. But those were both symptoms. The crash would never have happened if yellow flag rules were enforced. Yellow flags SHOULD mean a speed limit. But the FIA will have to impose a speed limit for the sector under under yellow.
For the moment the rule is completely arbitrary (as I stated above): you have to slow "enough". But that's completely up to the driver to decide. If they were doing 320 km/h before the yellow flags came out, they may think that going 280 km/h is "appropriate".
I can tell you that when I'm on my knees in a gravel trap delivering medical care to an injured driver with cars flying past 20m from me, 280 km/h is NOT an appropiate speed. It scares the hell out of me.
I do however not agree that this is what killed Jules Bianchi. The stupid safety car system which makes back runners go flat out when the safety car is on track, hoping they can hook up with the rest of the field is one of the major reasons for Jules fatal accident. This and the fact that the medical helicopters were grounded because of the weather (which according to the FIA rules SHOULD have meant no racing).
Instead we got VSC, which is great, but doesn't trickle down to club racing. I'd like to see yellows enforced too.
EDIT: Thanks for being a marshal. I wouldn't do that apart from as a flag marshal. Too dangerous. I only race ...
Jez
Edited by Z3MCJez on Saturday 23 July 20:34
ERIKM400 said:
You know what, I absolutely agree with the both of you two (BTW I'm one of the people in the line of fire trackside at a lot of races in Belgium and abroad).
Yellow flags SHOULD mean a speed limit. But the FIA will have to impose a speed limit for the sector under under yellow.
For the moment the rule is completely arbitrary (as I stated above): you have to slow "enough". But that's completely up to the driver to decide. If they were doing 320 km/h before the yellow flags came out, they may think that going 280 km/h is "appropriate".
I can tell you that when I'm on my knees in a gravel trap delivering medical care to an injured driver with cars flying past 20m from me, 280 km/h is NOT an appropiate speed. It scares the hell out of me.
I do however not agree that this is what killed Jules Bianchi. The stupid safety car system which makes back runners go flat out when the safety car is on track, hoping they can hook up with the rest of the field is one of the major reasons for Jules fatal accident. This and the fact that the medical helicopters were grounded because of the weather (which according to the FIA rules SHOULD have meant no racing).
This is all that matters. I've seen some near misses not only in the FIA series but also in lower formulae.Yellow flags SHOULD mean a speed limit. But the FIA will have to impose a speed limit for the sector under under yellow.
For the moment the rule is completely arbitrary (as I stated above): you have to slow "enough". But that's completely up to the driver to decide. If they were doing 320 km/h before the yellow flags came out, they may think that going 280 km/h is "appropriate".
I can tell you that when I'm on my knees in a gravel trap delivering medical care to an injured driver with cars flying past 20m from me, 280 km/h is NOT an appropiate speed. It scares the hell out of me.
I do however not agree that this is what killed Jules Bianchi. The stupid safety car system which makes back runners go flat out when the safety car is on track, hoping they can hook up with the rest of the field is one of the major reasons for Jules fatal accident. This and the fact that the medical helicopters were grounded because of the weather (which according to the FIA rules SHOULD have meant no racing).
FIA's decision on Max:
FIA said:
The Stewards have received a request from Red Bull Racing to allow car 33 to start the race despite failing to set a qualifying time within 107% of the fastest time in Q1.
In accordance with Article 35.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations, the Stewards grant permission for car 33 Max Verstappen to start the race, as the driver has set satisfactory times in practice at this Event.
The Stewards have also decided, due to the exceptional circumstances experienced during qualifying, Article 35.2 a) iii should take precedence over Article 35.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations. Car 33 will therefore start the race from the grid position set out in document 24 (the preliminary qualifying classification).
The rest will keep their positions, I reckon. The stewarding is getting a bit silly.In accordance with Article 35.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations, the Stewards grant permission for car 33 Max Verstappen to start the race, as the driver has set satisfactory times in practice at this Event.
The Stewards have also decided, due to the exceptional circumstances experienced during qualifying, Article 35.2 a) iii should take precedence over Article 35.1 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations. Car 33 will therefore start the race from the grid position set out in document 24 (the preliminary qualifying classification).
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