The Official 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[Vaud]

VolvoT5 said:

But apparently now the other teams have a 30 min window to appeal this ruling.

From J. Noble:

Under Article 17.2 of F1's Sporting Regulations, teams cannot appeal decisions taken by stewards relating to Article 35.1 – so the matter is now closed.

[TheAngryDog]

AXlawrence said:

TheAngryDog said:

How many people who are upset are LH supporters?

And how many of you would be upset if it was LH who had been let off for doing the same thing?

But lewis always gets a penalty

[Kevin and Perry]

It's so unfair

[/Kevin and Perry]

[LandR]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJqPX3EdjU

Kid gives vettel drawing he did, aeb puts it up in Ferrari garage

[Vaud]

LandR said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJqPX3EdjU

Kid gives vettel drawing he did, aeb puts it up in Ferrari garage

Nice.

[Trabi601]

LandR said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJqPX3EdjU

Kid gives vettel drawing he did, aeb puts it up in Ferrari garage

He's almost likeable these days.

[Adrian W]

Superbad said:

Did Rosberg ignore them then? FIA confirm that his car telementry showed he'd slowed significantly.

That depends on what you mean by ignore, the precedent is set, all of the other drivers will now make a complete mockery of the term slow down

Edited by Adrian W on Saturday 23 July 21:29

[ERIKM400]

Z3MCJez said:

Jules crashed under double waved yellows. Not SC. I think your penultimate statement therefore is straight wrong. The helicopter point is of course a contributory factor, as is the fact that they couldn't clear the traffic for the ambulance. But those were both symptoms. The crash would never have happened if yellow flag rules were enforced.

Instead we got VSC, which is great, but doesn't trickle down to club racing. I'd like to see yellows enforced too.

EDIT: Thanks for being a marshal. I wouldn't do that apart from as a flag marshal. Too dangerous. I only race ...

Jez

Edited by Z3MCJez on Saturday 23 July 20:34

I looked up the footage from Jules Bianchi's crash and you're right, the safety car was only sent out after Jules crashed. My mistake.
But that doesn't invalidate my argument: backrunners will take stupid risks under safety car conditions trying to hook up with the rest of the field.
That's why a virtual safety car is a much safer (and more fair) system.
Maybe in the UK this system doesn't trickle down to club racing but over here in Belgium we have been using the virtual safety car in the BGDC (Belgian Gentlemen Driver's Cup, might be a contradiction in your eyes ;-) where it's called code 60 (for 60 km/h) for several years.
And FYI I'm not a track marshal. I am the Chief Medical Doctor at Circuit Zolder in Belgium, who's frequently sitting in one of the trackside medical cars, situated safely behind the Armco and only coming out on track when things go seriously wrong. But thanks for your appreciation anyway. Let's hope you will never need my assistance.

[Vaud]

Trabi601 said:

He's almost likeable these days.

As a person I think he has always been likeable. Multilingual, understands British humour,the names for his cars, banter, etc.

As a racer (esp against Webber) I can understand why some find him to be Marmite.

Personally I like him, in the same way I like Max.

[Trabi601]

Vaud said:

As a person I think he has always been likeable. Multilingual, understands British humour,the names for his cars, banter, etc.

As a racer (esp against Webber) I can understand why some find him to be Marmite.

Personally I like him, in the same way I like Max.

I've briefly met him - at Belgium last year.

He also did a Q&A session in our hospitality suite.

You're spot on in reality - our PR team love him. Good thing, really, as Kimi is very difficult!

[rubystone]

Trabi601 said:

I've briefly met him - at Belgium last year.

He also did a Q&A session in our hospitality suite.

You're spot on in reality - our PR team love him. Good thing, really, as Kimi is very difficult!

Totally agree. He's super polite. As polite as Kimi is just rude.

[Vaud]

Trabi601 said:

I've briefly met him - at Belgium last year.

He also did a Q&A session in our hospitality suite.

You're spot on in reality - our PR team love him. Good thing, really, as Kimi is very difficult!

Indeed. I've met a few drivers over the years either at wider sponsor events or at smaller dinners/over a few drinks, and to be honest I've found them all great and mostly very funny - I can understand why some put up defences to protect themselves from a generally aggressive and opportunistic mass media.

[Z3MCJez]

ERIKM400 said:

I looked up the footage from Jules Bianchi's crash and you're right, the safety car was only sent out after Jules crashed. My mistake.
But that doesn't invalidate my argument: backrunners will take stupid risks under safety car conditions trying to hook up with the rest of the field.
That's why a virtual safety car is a much safer (and more fair) system.

That's true, but a different point. We've never had this issue at club level in my series, as they always get the safety car to pick up the leader in short races. In endurance races, they don't wave around to get the leader behind the safety car. That's a for tv thing. What we do have is people trying to get back into the slipstream when the person in front slows for yellows.

ERIKM400 said:

Maybe in the UK this system doesn't trickle down to club racing but over here in Belgium we have been using the virtual safety car in the BGDC (Belgian Gentlemen Driver's Cup, might be a contradiction in your eyes ;-) where it's called code 60 (for 60 km/h) for several years.
And FYI I'm not a track marshal. I am the Chief Medical Doctor at Circuit Zolder in Belgium, who's frequently sitting in one of the trackside medical cars, situated safely behind the Armco and only coming out on track when things go seriously wrong. But thanks for your appreciation anyway. Let's hope you will never need my assistance.

I hope so too! I've only raced at Zolder once, in 2010. The test day had live snatch like I'd never seen before but everyone behaved as it was a test day. And I've only been to the "medical centre" (It's an ambulance!) at Anglesey. I'd be very happy to see code 60 applied. Is it beamed into cars to neutralize a whole sector?

Jez

[ERIKM400]

Z3MCJez said:

I hope so too! I've only raced at Zolder once, in 2010. The test day had live snatch like I'd never seen before but everyone behaved as it was a test day. And I've only been to the "medical centre" (It's an ambulance!) at Anglesey. I'd be very happy to see code 60 applied. Is it beamed into cars to neutralize a whole sector?

Jez

The code 60 is not beamed into the cars, but the track marshals have a specific flag (http://speedactiontv.be/Le_systeme_de_neutralisation_sous_Code_60_a_t_il_un_avenir_-17589-1.aspx) to signal the code 60 to the drivers for a specific section of the track or "full course".
If you ever come back to Circuit Zolder, please pay me a visit at the medical center, preferably before crashing

[Some Gump]

Interesting quali today, but there's one aspect I hated..

Why throw a red for "too wet to go as fast as you want"? IMO the session was 15 mins from x. If it becomes too wet to go quickly, then tough titty - others set a lap, you got your tactics wrong.

A grid with 3 of the fastest out in Q1 would have been great for tomorrow, too!

[hairyben]

Z3MCJez said:

I think Rosberg is a very lucky boy today. But the FIA have set themselves up to be sued into oblivion when there is another accident under yellow flags. Which there will be somewhere.

Unfortunantly probably true. Also the 107% rule- wasnt that jore to do with excluding cars deemed to slow to be on track?

Both examples that the FIA are too obsessed with obsessing over the intricacies of the wording of rules rather than why the rules exist

[cgt2]

What I find interesting is how Rosberg in press conferences genuinely believes he won this pole on merit. Hamilton and Ricciardo were clearly disadvantaged. I get the feeling that if either of those two lucked into something they would say so and actually enjoy achieving results when they fight for it.

Rosberg has won the majority of his races this season as a result of misfortune for Hamilton which is why his comment on Thursday about being the best driver in the first half of the season raised some eyebrows.

If he really believes this he lacks complete awareness which perhaps explains his brain fade in Austria.

Or...It could all be a clever game and it's his method of coping with insecurity that Hamilton is faster, I don't know. But it is fascinating.

He was asked a question in the off camera press conference today by an Italian journalist about how he feels that Hamilton earns a lot more than his new contract... he didn't answer of course but that must have hurt.

Edited by cgt2 on Sunday 24th July 00:44

[glazbagun]

I guess when your job is to beat everyone else then public deprecation or balanced retrospective analysis is possibly not the best thing for you depending on your personaity. Senna or Schumacher would never admit to weakness and would defend the indefensible, so a bit of willful blindness is probably an essential survival strategy for some people.

Remember also that he's trying to keep his seat i the best car on the grid. If he went around magnifying his flaws, it wouldn't be long before everyone was happy to pour more scrutiny on him and he'd be toast. Same with Blair and the Iraq war- he knows that the second he admits it was the wrong thing to do he's finished.

Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 24th July 01:18

[cgt2]

glazbagun said:

I guess when your job is to beat everyone else then public deprecation or balanced retrospective analysis is possibly not the best thing for you depending on your personaity. Senna or Schumacher would never admit to weakness and would defend the indefensible, so a bit of willful blindness is probably an essential survival strategy for some people.

Remember also that he's trying to keep his seat i the best car on the grid. If he went around magnifying his flaws, it wouldn't be long before everyone was happy to pour more scrutiny on him and he'd be toast. Same with Blair and the Iraq war- he knows that the second he admits it was the wrong thing to do he's finished.

Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 24th July 01:18

I appreciate your point and it is a good one.

But...For all the tons of criticism he gets, Hamilton will often say ''I messed up''. As does Vettel, regularly. Ricciardo has only this week said, graciously, that Max has pushed him hard and beat him fairly. Even Max, at his young age, was asked about his ability and he said that he is still learning, has a long way to go yet and appreciates being in a team with a driver as good as Ricciardo.

For Rosberg to make a preposterous statement, as he did, that ''Everyone knows I have been the best driver in the first half of the season'' is just pushing it beyond the realm of credibility (which appeared to be the reaction when he made the remark).

I look at the example of Muhammad Ali. When he was Cassius Clay he was reviled. Later in life, he maintained his ego and self confidence, but showed a level of honesty and humanity that elevated his status to the greatest of all time.

[Nigel_O]

ignoring the rights or wrongs of Rosberg on pole for a moment, surely the end result is that we have a race on our hands (presuming of course that there's no repeats of some earlier battles)

Surely, what we all REALLY want to see, is some hard, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing, preferably without either car going off.

[Gary C]

The 107 investigation almost seems like a smokescreen, but in the end I can't see how they could have made any other decision on Rosberg.

But, in the next race they must do something about the double yellow rule.

In this case I don't think marshals were on the track, but doubles can cover them being on track and as such, surely they must set a max speed in a double yellow zone ?