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HustleRussell said:
To me there's no doubt Rosberg could've gone faster if Hamilton hadn't been immediately in front of him. Hamilton was basically cruising though. He would've been aware that he was backing Nico up but as per the China 2015 quote, wouldn't have cared in the slightest.
and I wouldn't expect him to do any differently. while its a team sport its also an individual drivers championship. why risk your championship and aid your main rival and team mate, who lets face it would do exactly the same to you given the chance....suffolk009 said:
^^ I think the idea is to win as slowly as possible.
Isn't that a product of limited numbers of engines, gearboxes etc plus the tyres falling off a cliff, limited fuel etc?If you want balls-to-the-wall driving for 70 laps or whatever it is then the rules would need to be modified somewhat.
Vaud said:
Maybe Lewis could print it out and hand it around at the next GP in GERMANY kambites said:
Because a huge part of the reason the engine manufacturers are in the sport is to prove to potential shopping-car customers that they can make cars both fast and economical. Same reason they're running hybrid turbos rather than larger capacity naturally aspirated units.
A proper race was going on for 6-hours at the Nurburgring on Sunday. Qualifying was 1:39 and most race laps were 1:40. Because they have sensible rules and tyres, their Hybrid engines really are something to shout about.In F1 the difference between qually laps and race laps have become too great, umpteen engine modes allow the drivers to dial-in varying lap times at will.
Vaud said:
Superb. Thanks for posting that. 
Vaud said:
www.sniffpetrol.com/category/trentham-sleaves/#.V5cvF4-cGhcEdited by Quickmoose on Tuesday 26th July 11:01
Martin Brundle seems to give Max a bit of an bashing in his latest Sky Sports article but sits on the fence in relation to Rosberg's pole lap.
Brundle would be the perfect guy to have some kind of role within the FIA or general governance of the sport.... he gets it spot on so often and again hits the nail on the head about the ridiculous actions of the FIA lately.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10512198/ma...
Brundle would be the perfect guy to have some kind of role within the FIA or general governance of the sport.... he gets it spot on so often and again hits the nail on the head about the ridiculous actions of the FIA lately.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10512198/ma...
rdjohn said:
kambites said:
Because a huge part of the reason the engine manufacturers are in the sport is to prove to potential shopping-car customers that they can make cars both fast and economical. Same reason they're running hybrid turbos rather than larger capacity naturally aspirated units.
A proper race was going on for 6-hours at the Nurburgring on Sunday. Qualifying was 1:39 and most race laps were 1:40. Because they have sensible rules and tyres, their Hybrid engines really are something to shout about.In F1 the difference between qually laps and race laps have become too great, umpteen engine modes allow the drivers to dial-in varying lap times at will.
It is farcial to watch a race. If Taki Inoue or Giovanni Lavaggi had been in the second Mercedes, they would not have been able to qualify at the front, but they could have replicated the same 90% race pace as Lewis or Nico.
I find the racing rather insulting to watch. The drivers can't admit they are driving to a delta time to conserve tyres.
Yes Nico could have found another few seconds a lap (just like Vettel did to Webber in Turkey and Malaysia a few years ago), but the teammate would have upped the game too. That's what us fans want to see , but it would have compromised both drivers and the team.
The answer is to take some of the sporting regs from WEC and apply it to F1. One of the most simple, but clever WEC rules is to limit the number of people working on a car during a pitstop. It means a tyre stop can be 20 - 40 seconds. This creates several factors that make a good race:
1) A pitstop can be a strategic advantage if it is a switch to a much faster tyre. (Think of Mansell's comeback at Silverstone 87)
2) It can be an advantage to stay out and not pit (just like we saw in the early 90s when the nimble Nannini Benetton combo could make its tyres last longer than a Ferrari or McLaren)
3) With such varying strategies (unlike F1) teams have to risk passing on track because they don't know if their rival is two or three stopping.
The current F1 cars are brilliant. But they need WEC tyres and sporting regulations to bring them to life.
rdjohn said:
kambites said:
Because a huge part of the reason the engine manufacturers are in the sport is to prove to potential shopping-car customers that they can make cars both fast and economical. Same reason they're running hybrid turbos rather than larger capacity naturally aspirated units.
A proper race was going on for 6-hours at the Nurburgring on Sunday. Qualifying was 1:39 and most race laps were 1:40. Because they have sensible rules and tyres, their Hybrid engines really are something to shout about.In F1 the difference between qually laps and race laps have become too great, umpteen engine modes allow the drivers to dial-in varying lap times at will.
F1 is an engine dominated formula now, maybe that's what they felt they had to do to neutralise the red bull advantage from 2010-2013.
The tyres are still one limitation, and the changes for next year don't seem to be getting the teams excited about closer racing.
the biggest disappointment in the hybrid era is Ferrari. They had the same chance as Mercedes to produce a top car, optimised chassis with their own engine, but they couldn't manage it. It they had managed then it would have been more interesting.
The tyres are still one limitation, and the changes for next year don't seem to be getting the teams excited about closer racing.
the biggest disappointment in the hybrid era is Ferrari. They had the same chance as Mercedes to produce a top car, optimised chassis with their own engine, but they couldn't manage it. It they had managed then it would have been more interesting.
HustleRussell said:
To me there's no doubt Rosberg could've gone faster if Hamilton hadn't been immediately in front of him. Hamilton was basically cruising though. He would've been aware that he was backing Nico up but as per the China 2015 quote, wouldn't have cared in the slightest.
Why should he care? He knows Mercedes will win constructors, so does everyone else In F1, so making Nico lose points doesn't really matter. AlexS said:
They are currently pushing past 900bhp and using less fuel than the older v8s.
So what? Are they every likely to appear in the sort of family cars that sell by the millions. No! Because the technology and the fuels they are using are way too expensive.The F1 engines have been built to too precriptive rules. The real clever bit is the software that controls them, but it is not applicable to cruising down the Motorway, or crawling through city traffic. By now they were supposed to be only using electrical power in the pitlane, but that reg was conveniently forgotten.
At least WEC has gone down diffent routes and fuels to arrive at their varying engines and ancillaries. But above all, they are racing flat-out, flag to flag. That is the key point.
I think that Lewis's tardy times were nothing more than him conserving engine life. He needs this PU to survive Germany, before taking grid penalties for Spa. And what a dumb idea that was. Does it stop them actually spending the cash on new engines? It will make Spa a more interesting race - the only question is can he get P2? He certainly won't get P1.
Trabi601 said:
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Trabi601 said:
hammo19 said:
The best thing about F1 is Teds Notebook!
Who can forget his explanation of dildo style noses with the contents of the breakfast bar.http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/969...
Edited by Gary C on Tuesday 26th July 13:05
rdjohn said:
AlexS said:
They are currently pushing past 900bhp and using less fuel than the older v8s.
So what? Are they every likely to appear in the sort of family cars that sell by the millions. No! Because the technology and the fuels they are using are way too expensive.The F1 engines have been built to too precriptive rules. The real clever bit is the software that controls them, but it is not applicable to cruising down the Motorway, or crawling through city traffic. By now they were supposed to be only using electrical power in the pitlane, but that reg was conveniently forgotten.
At least WEC has gone down diffent routes and fuels to arrive at their varying engines and ancillaries. But above all, they are racing flat-out, flag to flag. That is the key point.
I think that Lewis's tardy times were nothing more than him conserving engine life. He needs this PU to survive Germany, before taking grid penalties for Spa. And what a dumb idea that was. Does it stop them actually spending the cash on new engines? It will make Spa a more interesting race - the only question is can he get P2? He certainly won't get P1.
And yes, I can see heat recovery being used in a road car, why is it not relevant ? A motorway is especially relevant to harvesting wasted heat energy from the exhaust. The braking recovery is already being used, and don't belittle software development. Integrating all these items takes a lot of effort that can easily be transferred to road cars. What's missing is the need to do so as it inevitably adds cost, but as fuel prices rise (as they will) then, why not ?
Bit blinkered thinking.
rdjohn said:
At least WEC has gone down diffent routes and fuels to arrive at their varying engines and ancillaries. But above all, they are racing flat-out, flag to flag. That is the key point.
What are their viewer figures? (genuine question)The general public clearly doesn't care about WEC - you never see them on the news, or even on most sports web sites. I'd argue that the public would rather watch rallying.
Vaud said:
rdjohn said:
At least WEC has gone down diffent routes and fuels to arrive at their varying engines and ancillaries. But above all, they are racing flat-out, flag to flag. That is the key point.
What are their viewer figures? (genuine question)The general public clearly doesn't care about WEC - you never see them on the news, or even on most sports web sites. I'd argue that the public would rather watch rallying.
The 'problem' with WEC is that races are too long for normal TV viewing - great for the hardcore motorsport fan but not so casual viewer.
WEC would also need about 5-10 years of decent PR within the UK to reach anywhere near F1 viewing figures.
VolvoT5 said:
Martin Brundle seems to give Max a bit of an bashing in his latest Sky Sports article but sits on the fence in relation to Rosberg's pole lap.
Brundle would be the perfect guy to have some kind of role within the FIA or general governance of the sport.... he gets it spot on so often and again hits the nail on the head about the ridiculous actions of the FIA lately.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10512198/ma...
Or Brundle could be sensationalising. Only two weeks ago, Hamilton, Toto Wolff and others were complimenting his racecraft in very glowing terms after the pass at Silverstone. Brundle would be the perfect guy to have some kind of role within the FIA or general governance of the sport.... he gets it spot on so often and again hits the nail on the head about the ridiculous actions of the FIA lately.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10512198/ma...
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