Revised FIA radio rules
Discussion
ukaskew said:
Or many variations of the above, which actually mean different things 
Yes it's rather hard to police that one. Hence my suggestion of having the radio for emergencies only (as in if the team say anything at all on the radio they have to retire the car from the race) and allow them to put whatever they like on a standard size and format pit board. So everyone says they don't like these rules and the FIA decide to make them more strict and even more stupid.
Is the FIA flexing its muscle here? Showing the teams and drivers who is boss?
I have a feeling they might also force the 'halo' through on safety grounds despite the increasing level of opposition. I'm all for increased head protection as its obviously a problem, just not sure that the halo is the way to go about it.
Is the FIA flexing its muscle here? Showing the teams and drivers who is boss?
I have a feeling they might also force the 'halo' through on safety grounds despite the increasing level of opposition. I'm all for increased head protection as its obviously a problem, just not sure that the halo is the way to go about it.
Eric Mc said:
I presume the driver needs to work out whilst controlling his car at 200 plus MPH that what he intends to say or request over the radio doesn't transgress one of these 23 paramemters.
Maybe they will need to stick the list to the centre of the steering wheel.
You jest, but...Maybe they will need to stick the list to the centre of the steering wheel.
From
http://www.thisisf1.com/2016/05/16/explained-2016-...
Trigbert said:
I do see another side to this argument (apart from the driving coaching which does irritate) which is the FIA using it to bring down costs.
So the teams create these cars that have 1000's of permutations of settings which they need a driver to tweak inside the car constantly throughout the race and quali to manage it to the end.
The FIA see the teams spend a fortune creating this costly capability - because they can just tell the driver over the radio all the time where his settings need to be. You then also have to pay a genius geek a fortune to sit there and tell the driver what the car needs - adding more cost.
So I think the FIA see a way to reduce costs by taking away this pit radio and forcing the teams to put a car on the grid with minimal tweakability during a race. Take Rosbergs issue, it cost Merc a fortune to put a car on the grid where they can tweak something that bypasses a gearbox issue. So now the teams think well if we've got to visit the PIT anyway why spend the money.
Sure we'll never get back to the amazement at watching Senna around Monaco trying to adjust brake balance while manually changing down the gear box. But ideally we'll get the teams to put a car on the grid at the start which has to cover all scenarios in a race and complete the laps with minimal tweaks. Maybe then we'll get far better races and also a return to some proper pit radio.
Sorry I'm cr@p at making arguments but just another view, although teams no doubt will push the rules another way.
What will actually happen though is that since all the sensors are needed to give the performance/reliability the teams will employ that boffin and all the sensors anyway. They'll just employ a whole team of boffins to write code and talk to the first boffin to work out all the possible senor permutations so that the car can make the changes the driver would have done had he been told to. the team will then take both boffins to the track so that they can update the combinations each time the car is run as it'll always see some new ones.So the teams create these cars that have 1000's of permutations of settings which they need a driver to tweak inside the car constantly throughout the race and quali to manage it to the end.
The FIA see the teams spend a fortune creating this costly capability - because they can just tell the driver over the radio all the time where his settings need to be. You then also have to pay a genius geek a fortune to sit there and tell the driver what the car needs - adding more cost.
So I think the FIA see a way to reduce costs by taking away this pit radio and forcing the teams to put a car on the grid with minimal tweakability during a race. Take Rosbergs issue, it cost Merc a fortune to put a car on the grid where they can tweak something that bypasses a gearbox issue. So now the teams think well if we've got to visit the PIT anyway why spend the money.
Sure we'll never get back to the amazement at watching Senna around Monaco trying to adjust brake balance while manually changing down the gear box. But ideally we'll get the teams to put a car on the grid at the start which has to cover all scenarios in a race and complete the laps with minimal tweaks. Maybe then we'll get far better races and also a return to some proper pit radio.
Sorry I'm cr@p at making arguments but just another view, although teams no doubt will push the rules another way.
Eric Mc said:
I presume the driver needs to work out whilst controlling his car at 200 plus MPH that what he intends to say or request over the radio doesn't transgress one of these 23 paramemters.
Maybe they will need to stick the list to the centre of the steering wheel.
The drivers can pretty say whatever they like. It's the team (sitting comfortably on the pit wall) who are not allowed to give instructions. As per Hamilton in Baku: "Please tell me what to set, pretty please, I promise to be good"; "Sorry Lewis, can't answer that".Maybe they will need to stick the list to the centre of the steering wheel.
FunkyNige said:
Eric Mc said:
I presume the driver needs to work out whilst controlling his car at 200 plus MPH that what he intends to say or request over the radio doesn't transgress one of these 23 paramemters.
Maybe they will need to stick the list to the centre of the steering wheel.
You jest, but...Maybe they will need to stick the list to the centre of the steering wheel.
From
http://www.thisisf1.com/2016/05/16/explained-2016-...
so based on the link above, these are the steering wheel controls. Which ones do we think they do not need/should not have?? (remember F1 is meant to be about technical innovation, so controls etc are part of that)
DISPLAY: upto 100 pages of information.
Lights: gear shift lights, yellow flag lights, danger zone lights
Buttons:
DRS button.
Neutral/reverse button.
Message confirm button.
Overtake button (max boost)
Pit confirm button
Pit land speed limit
Talk button
Race start button
Mark button
ROTARY THUMB DIALS:
Corner diff settings
Medium/high speed diff settings
Brake balance
ROTARY DIALS:
Pre-set strategy dial
Multi function rotary (eg bite clutch point, torque, tyre)
Engine settings
DISPLAY: upto 100 pages of information.
Lights: gear shift lights, yellow flag lights, danger zone lights
Buttons:
DRS button.
Neutral/reverse button.
Message confirm button.
Overtake button (max boost)
Pit confirm button
Pit land speed limit
Talk button
Race start button
Mark button
ROTARY THUMB DIALS:
Corner diff settings
Medium/high speed diff settings
Brake balance
ROTARY DIALS:
Pre-set strategy dial
Multi function rotary (eg bite clutch point, torque, tyre)
Engine settings
craigjm said:
This is all just stupid. Lets get back to proper racing... no radios just pit boards and minimal settings on the car
Gets my vote.At the very minimum, radios only get activated for transmission with activation/deactivation of the pit lane speed limiter, so pits/driver communication can only communicate while in pit lane...or via pit boards as per the old days.
unless you make the cars less complex this won't work, and the cars are only going to get more complex.
A way to sort this out would be to have a big "LIMP MODE" button on the steering wheel. Pressing the "LIMP MODE" button disables DRS and ERS but allows the team to send commands electronically from the pit lane to the car to re-set it into a good configuration. The team would be able to tell the driver to engage LIMP MODE, but not to press any other buttons.
The car is then without ERS and DRS for a certain period (a lap, for example) before full power is restored, to give an adequate penalty.
That then gives a really big incentive to the teams to get the drivers to learn how the systems work, and make the systems easier to learn.
A way to sort this out would be to have a big "LIMP MODE" button on the steering wheel. Pressing the "LIMP MODE" button disables DRS and ERS but allows the team to send commands electronically from the pit lane to the car to re-set it into a good configuration. The team would be able to tell the driver to engage LIMP MODE, but not to press any other buttons.
The car is then without ERS and DRS for a certain period (a lap, for example) before full power is restored, to give an adequate penalty.
That then gives a really big incentive to the teams to get the drivers to learn how the systems work, and make the systems easier to learn.
craigjm said:
This is all just stupid. Lets get back to proper racing... no radios just pit boards and minimal settings on the car
These are not Mk2 Escorts we're talking about here; it's about as far detached from 2 pedals and a steering wheel as it gets. The FIA themselves introduced this outlandishly technical engine formula with almost constant public criticism of it's technicality, complexity & cost. Formula 1 pushes engineering boundaries and so should that continue. Whilst I'm sure the complexity could be reduced, we would also see a drop in performance. That's not what anyone wants to see, even the casual fans.
Distinctly uncommon to hear a motoring enthusiast moan that his/her vehicle would be better without 'modern' innovations such as fuel injection, power steering, etc. We don't strive to move motoring backwards so why should we push motorsport in the same direction.
Formula 1 must keep moving forward at the forefront of technical innovation. Yes there will be hiccups and sidesteps during the forward progress such as these radio rules but it will all come out in the wash as they say.
DuncB7 said:
These are not Mk2 Escorts we're talking about here
No s
t but when the drivers have to be told how to drive them and be constantly coached over the radio that just isnt racing. So called innovations like DRS just cover up the fact that there is no racing actually happening. If you need a device to make your car momentarily more powerful than the one you are approaching to get past then where is the skill in that? Not being allowed to go out and set qualifying times because its raining is just taking the piss, starting races under the safety car because its raining is taking the piss and then bending the rules when it suits them because half of the field failed to set a time within 107% of the pole time is again taking the piss. Why didnt they disqualify half of the field from starting in Hungary? its because this "sport" is no longer about racing, its about mobile advertising and all of the money making that goes on around it.
I am all for technical innovation in the sport but surely the basic requirement of a "sport" is that there is actually some element of competition? What other sport outside of motorsport do you have so much intervention on a constant basis from other people other than the person actually competing?
craigjm said:
DuncB7 said:
These are not Mk2 Escorts we're talking about here
No st but when the drivers have to be told how to drive them and be constantly coached over the radio that just isnt racing. So called innovations like DRS just cover up the fact that there is no racing actually happening. If you need a device to make your car momentarily more powerful than the one you are approaching to get past then where is the skill in that? Not being allowed to go out and set qualifying times because its raining is just taking the piss, starting races under the safety car because its raining is taking the piss and then bending the rules when it suits them because half of the field failed to set a time within 107% of the pole time is again taking the piss. Why didnt they disqualify half of the field from starting in Hungary? its because this "sport" is no longer about racing, its about mobile advertising and all of the money making that goes on around it.
I am all for technical innovation in the sport but surely the basic requirement of a "sport" is that there is actually some element of competition? What other sport outside of motorsport do you have so much intervention on a constant basis from other people other than the person actually competing?
Might as well make F1 cars 2-seater's so that can put someone from the team management in the car with them to tell them what to do.
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