The Official 2016 German Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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ZX10R NIN said:
Z3MCJez said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Yes but with DRS & Push to Pass that these F1 Cars have there is no way there wouldn't be overtaking 
You should watch IndyCar on the ovals if that's what you're looking for!Jez
You do realise Indycars race at circuits more so than ovals & they overtake each other on those too.
And no, I had no idea that they didn't race solely on ovals, having watched all forms of motorsport for over 20 years (since I first got cable tv in 1996) and F1 since Rosberg Snr won the WDC.
Referring to F1 as having push to pass is just dumb though. Sorry.
Jez
cgt2 said:
ClockworkCupcake said:
That sounds pretty damning to me.
I hope I'm wrong but if they are enforcing rules like no racing after the first corner that's pathetic of Mercedes and I hope it backfires on them spectacularly. It would make all their words about allowing them to race look like outright lies.
Nico seems to have the edge this weekend. It was a good first sector by Lewis (0.1 up) but the mistake maybe showed he's struggling a little for pace here and was pushing too much. It's a new day. Conditions may come to suit the set up of either car spmanyth8ng could happen, but I think Nico has enough pace to manage this race and can see him holding a 3 or 4 second lead.
I'd like to see a RedBull getting off the line well and being in front. Then we'll see the Mercedes big wigs in a bit of a sweat and are sure to see a battle at the front. I do have a feeling that they'll have the drivers on a very tight leash otherwise.
As for the talk about team orders and if Lewis would obey them. With all the incidents we have now had, there is a really strong focus and far higher level of threat within the team. I'm sure Lewis would be reluctant to sit back and not attack. But he also knows that he can't afford to have the team turn against him. I don't think we'll see the engine modes shenanigans that we've seen in the past. To be an equal status driver in a Merc is the best seat F1 and both Nico and Lewis won't jeopardize that today of all days..... So I really hope there are no additional orders or limits in place. Clean hard racing is what we all want.
I'd like to see a RedBull getting off the line well and being in front. Then we'll see the Mercedes big wigs in a bit of a sweat and are sure to see a battle at the front. I do have a feeling that they'll have the drivers on a very tight leash otherwise.
As for the talk about team orders and if Lewis would obey them. With all the incidents we have now had, there is a really strong focus and far higher level of threat within the team. I'm sure Lewis would be reluctant to sit back and not attack. But he also knows that he can't afford to have the team turn against him. I don't think we'll see the engine modes shenanigans that we've seen in the past. To be an equal status driver in a Merc is the best seat F1 and both Nico and Lewis won't jeopardize that today of all days..... So I really hope there are no additional orders or limits in place. Clean hard racing is what we all want.
Hungrymc said:
Nico seems to have the edge this weekend. It was a good first sector by Lewis (0.1 up) but the mistake maybe showed he's struggling a little for pace here and was pushing too much. It's a new day. Conditions may come to suit the set up of either car spmanyth8ng could happen, but I think Nico has enough pace to manage this race and can see him holding a 3 or 4 second lead.
I'd like to see a RedBull getting off the line well and being in front. Then we'll see the Mercedes big wigs in a bit of a sweat and are sure to see a battle at the front. I do have a feeling that they'll have the drivers on a very tight leash otherwise.
As for the talk about team orders and if Lewis would obey them. With all the incidents we have now had, there is a really strong focus and far higher level of threat within the team. I'm sure Lewis would be reluctant to sit back and not attack. But he also knows that he can't afford to have the team turn against him. I don't think we'll see the engine modes shenanigans that we've seen in the past. To be an equal status driver in a Merc is the best seat F1 and both Nico and Lewis won't jeopardize that today of all days..... So I really hope there are no additional orders or limits in place. Clean hard racing is what we all want.
Yes, but Lewis also knows he's can go for an overtake without cocking it up, unlike somebody else who would I'd like to see a RedBull getting off the line well and being in front. Then we'll see the Mercedes big wigs in a bit of a sweat and are sure to see a battle at the front. I do have a feeling that they'll have the drivers on a very tight leash otherwise.
As for the talk about team orders and if Lewis would obey them. With all the incidents we have now had, there is a really strong focus and far higher level of threat within the team. I'm sure Lewis would be reluctant to sit back and not attack. But he also knows that he can't afford to have the team turn against him. I don't think we'll see the engine modes shenanigans that we've seen in the past. To be an equal status driver in a Merc is the best seat F1 and both Nico and Lewis won't jeopardize that today of all days..... So I really hope there are no additional orders or limits in place. Clean hard racing is what we all want.
Z3MCJez said:
The best years were the early 80s. Where they had 1.6l V6s. It's not the engine that makes the racing.
Jez
err... memory not serving you correct ...Jez
seem to recall they were 1.5l and *any* cylinder configuration eg: BMW 4cyl in Brabham, Ferrari, Renault V6's and Alfa V8 (!)
as to the race: good luck for ROS (not a fan BTW!)
MikeyC said:
err... memory not serving you correct ...
seem to recall they were 1.5l and *any* cylinder configuration eg: BMW 4cyl in Brabham, Ferrari, Renault V6's and Alfa V8 (!)
as to the race: good luck for ROS (not a fan BTW!)
The 80s started withseem to recall they were 1.5l and *any* cylinder configuration eg: BMW 4cyl in Brabham, Ferrari, Renault V6's and Alfa V8 (!)
as to the race: good luck for ROS (not a fan BTW!)
1.5 litre turbocharged (any cylinder configuration)
3 litre normally aspirated (any cylinder configuration)
During the 80s the normally aspirated rules changed to 3.5 litre. Then normally aspirated engines were banned. Then turbos were banned. By the end of the 80s, the engines were 3.5 litre normally aspirated with no configuration limits.
Also, at the beginning of the 80s, turbo boost was not limited in any way. As the 80s progressed, restrictions were placed on turbo boost. Fuel limits were also reduced. (Refuelling had been allowed up to and including 1983 but was banned from 1984 on).
NJK44 said:
Yes, but Lewis also knows he's can go for an overtake without cocking it up, unlike somebody else who would
But if they are instructed not to pass, and there was an incident (Nico has been at fault in them all for my money) Lewis would be in deep water for initiating it by going against orders - that's why team orders and no1 driver status are the worst part of F1 for me.Eric Mc said:
MikeyC said:
err... memory not serving you correct ...
seem to recall they were 1.5l and *any* cylinder configuration eg: BMW 4cyl in Brabham, Ferrari, Renault V6's and Alfa V8 (!)
as to the race: good luck for ROS (not a fan BTW!)
The 80s started withseem to recall they were 1.5l and *any* cylinder configuration eg: BMW 4cyl in Brabham, Ferrari, Renault V6's and Alfa V8 (!)
as to the race: good luck for ROS (not a fan BTW!)
1.5 litre turbocharged (any cylinder configuration)
3 litre normally aspirated (any cylinder configuration)
During the 80s the normally aspirated rules changed to 3.5 litre. Then normally aspirated engines were banned. Then turbos were banned. By the end of the 80s, the engines were 3.5 litre normally aspirated with no configuration limits.
Also, at the beginning of the 80s, turbo boost was not limited in any way. As the 80s progressed, restrictions were placed on turbo boost. Fuel limits were also reduced. (Refuelling had been allowed up to and including 1983 but was banned from 1984 on).
Z3MCJez said:
The best years were the early 80s. Where they had 1.6l V6s. It's not the engine that makes the racing.
so perfectly correct - I remember the 80's perfectly thankyou !Please include ALL relevant posts
Z3MCJez said:
Calm down. My point is that you seem to want overtaking to be easy. Which is IndyCar on ovals. If you've watched a street or road race (I'm trusting you know the difference) there isn't much overtaking at all. Apart from when they pit. A bit like F1 really, but bumpier tracks.
And no, I had no idea that they didn't race solely on ovals, having watched all forms of motorsport for over 20 years (since I first got cable tv in 1996) and F1 since Rosberg Snr won the WDC.
Referring to F1 as having push to pass is just dumb though. Sorry.
Jez
No you completely missed my point which was that it would be great to see the modern F1 race at the old circuit as it was because you'd get better racing & it would be more of a spectacle as the F1 cars tear through the forest.And no, I had no idea that they didn't race solely on ovals, having watched all forms of motorsport for over 20 years (since I first got cable tv in 1996) and F1 since Rosberg Snr won the WDC.
Referring to F1 as having push to pass is just dumb though. Sorry.
Jez
My comment about DRS Overtake Mode (you Push the button in order to try & Pass the guy in front of you) was that this would stop the races being strung out bore fests that they used to be at the old track.
The first race I saw live was a WSBK race their in 98 & the speed was awesome as was the racing with you not knowing who was going to win until the very last lap, the new track lacks.
Anyway what your prediction?
Here's mine:
NR
LH
MV
ZX10R NIN said:
Z3MCJez said:
Calm down. My point is that you seem to want overtaking to be easy. Which is IndyCar on ovals. If you've watched a street or road race (I'm trusting you know the difference) there isn't much overtaking at all. Apart from when they pit. A bit like F1 really, but bumpier tracks.
And no, I had no idea that they didn't race solely on ovals, having watched all forms of motorsport for over 20 years (since I first got cable tv in 1996) and F1 since Rosberg Snr won the WDC.
Referring to F1 as having push to pass is just dumb though. Sorry.
Jez
No you completely missed my point which was that it would be great to see the modern F1 race at the old circuit as it was because you'd get better racing & it would be more of a spectacle as the F1 cars tear through the forest.And no, I had no idea that they didn't race solely on ovals, having watched all forms of motorsport for over 20 years (since I first got cable tv in 1996) and F1 since Rosberg Snr won the WDC.
Referring to F1 as having push to pass is just dumb though. Sorry.
Jez
My comment about DRS Overtake Mode (you Push the button in order to try & Pass the guy in front of you) was that this would stop the races being strung out bore fests that they used to be at the old track.
The first race I saw live was a WSBK race their in 98 & the speed was awesome as was the racing with you not knowing who was going to win until the very last lap, the new track lacks.
Anyway what your prediction?
Here's mine:
NR
LH
MV
Hungrymc said:
But if they are instructed not to pass, and there was an incident (Nico has been at fault in them all for my money) Lewis would be in deep water for initiating it by going against orders - that's why team orders and no1 driver status are the worst part of F1 for me.
That's true but honestly don't see Lewis complying with anything Mercedes say. If Lewis went against them and Mercedes punished Lewis, then we'd all know Mercedes are liars and I doubt they want that.
cgt2 said:
suffolk009 said:
If there is no racing allowed by Merc after the 1st corner, then they are indeed lying. No simile required.
Agreed. Shame none of the media outlets seem to be talking about this which would possibly deter that idea.NJK44 said:
That's true but honestly don't see Lewis complying with anything Mercedes say.
If Lewis went against them and Mercedes punished Lewis, then we'd all know Mercedes are liars and I doubt they want that.
I don't think you are seeing things logically. He is still an employee, not bigger than the whole Merc organisation and the repercussions would be huge for his position in the team.If Lewis went against them and Mercedes punished Lewis, then we'd all know Mercedes are liars and I doubt they want that.
Let's hope there are no team orders and this discussion is moot. We all know he can outrace Rosberg and that is what I hope happens today.
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