The Official 2016 German Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

The Official 2016 German Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

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dc2rr07

1,238 posts

231 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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BaronVonVaderham said:
cgt2 said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
No, he moves around very late in the braking phase. Read the rules.
No rule was broken as the stewards did not even bother looking at it.

Perhaps you should apply for Charlie Whiting's job? Send your CV to Mr Ecclestone, c/o FOM, Prince's Gate, London SW6. wink

Nice words about his MIL will help your application.
Inconsistent application of the rules and subsequent penalties is an area that the FIA specialise in. Drivers are just asking for clarity and consistency.
Must admit he is a future champion but IMHO he is testing the rules a bit on moving about while defending.

37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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suffolk009 said:
I'm not familiar with that rule. But it makes sense.

I suspect there is also an element of Bernie/FOM hoping for more randomised grids. To, you know, improve "the show".
it applies to red flag situations in most national series in the UK....if you cause the red flag then you are removed from the results. its a good deterent for anyone trying to do anything underhand when the results go back to the last completed lap.

sandman77

2,409 posts

138 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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dc2rr07 said:
Must admit he is a future champion but IMHO he is testing the rules a bit on moving about while defending.
Haven't all champions "tested" the rules at some stage.

37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Flooble said:
10th?
well last in a particular session..be a bit harsh to be relegated right to the back for a spin (genuine or intended)

hairyben

8,516 posts

183 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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37chevy said:
NJK44 said:
Until Rosberg repeats his 2014 Monaco antics.
simples...implement race rules, if you cause the red flag you get deleted from the results....make him start 10th

Dunno ahout deletion but the idea merits dicussion... 3 place grid penalty for bringing out yellows perhaps? Enough to discourage stupidity/cynical moves without massively penalising honest mistakes?

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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37chevy said:
well last in a particular session..be a bit harsh to be relegated right to the back for a spin (genuine or intended)
Ah, and I thought I'd seen a way for Manor to get a sneaky promotion!

dc2rr07

1,238 posts

231 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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sandman77 said:
dc2rr07 said:
Must admit he is a future champion but IMHO he is testing the rules a bit on moving about while defending.
Haven't all champions "tested" the rules at some stage.
Yes, that's probably why they become the best and it certainly gets people talking.

sandman77

2,409 posts

138 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Rosberg quicker than Hamilton on both FP1 and FP2. Lets hope Hamilton can get the upper edge when it counts.

Button also off to hospital to have an eye irritation checked out.

Dr Z

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3,396 posts

171 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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I just looked at the long runs, and Rosberg's were actually quicker than Hamilton averaging about the same as the gap between them on a single lap as in the FP2 time sheet on both the Soft and Super Soft. Following the sector times Rosberg seemed to be quicker in S1 compared to his team mate. An interesting race brewing at the front? Depends if everything gets sorted out by tomorrow. Also it's possible that Hamilton was in a lower performing mode in his PU for these runs. If Rosberg gets pole tomorrow, it will be game on.

Red Bull look to be a match for the Mercedes on the Soft tyre. However, the Mercedes seems to be able to look after the Super Softs better and be quite a bit quicker than both the Ferrari and the Red Bull. I'd still say it's Mercedes' race to lose. Ferrari look OK on the Super Softs but look slower than Red Bull on the Softs. More head scratching before qualifying.


rsbmw

3,464 posts

105 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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If Rosberg is leading after the first corner it will be a more interesting race than if Hamilton is.

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

174 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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TBH I think the championship would benefit from Rosberg putting in a strong performance and beating Hamilton on merit.... things have started to look like one way traffic over the last few races.

Ferrari are well off the pace on their long runs - significantly slower than Mercedes and Red Bull. Both Raikkonen and Vettel could be vulnerable in qualifying unless they hook up perfect laps as their 1 lap pace is very similar to the Red Bulls and in the case of Raikkonen only a coule of tenths or so ahead of a well driven Force India.


NJK44

1,364 posts

96 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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rsbmw said:
If Rosberg is leading after the first corner it will be a more interesting race than if Hamilton is.
Because Lewis will actually try and overtake unlike someone in Hungary? :P

Sam All

3,101 posts

101 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Good to see Alonso/Button in the top 10. A podium by year end, unlikely, would be most welcome

Derek Smith

45,655 posts

248 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Dr Z said:
If Rosberg gets pole tomorrow, it will be game on.
That's what I thought last week.


Dr Z

Original Poster:

3,396 posts

171 months

Friday 29th July 2016
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Derek Smith said:
Dr Z said:
If Rosberg gets pole tomorrow, it will be game on.
That's what I thought last week.
Well, I don't remember Rosberg having better race pace in the long runs last week. And it was circumstance more than sheer pace that he got pole too. In a straight fight, if Rosberg manages to get pole tomorrow, it would confirm his better long run pace compared to Hamilton today. And it means we could get a proper fight through the race, rather than a meek surrender after the 1st corner. I'm assuming Mercedes don't interfere and manage a boring 1-2.

Jasandjules

69,885 posts

229 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Dr Z said:
I'm assuming Mercedes don't interfere and manage a boring 1-2.
Do you honestly think Lewis will sit behind meekly if ordered to hold station?......

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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I'm confused, if Rosberg has better race pace and gets pole, what can Hamilton do?

sandman77

2,409 posts

138 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Flooble said:
I'm confused, if Rosberg has better race pace and gets pole, what can Hamilton do?
Hopefully use DRS and mount a challenge.

Jasandjules

69,885 posts

229 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Flooble said:
I'm confused, if Rosberg has better race pace and gets pole, what can Hamilton do?
What makes you think Lewis is using his full PU in FP1 and 2?

And what can he do? Make his tyres last longer, push Nico into an error (we've seen that a couple of times), go for a last of the late brakers into a corner.... You know, Race, it's what he tends to do.....

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Saturday 30th July 2016
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Jasandjules said:
What makes you think Lewis is using his full PU in FP1 and 2?

And what can he do? Make his tyres last longer, push Nico into an error (we've seen that a couple of times), go for a last of the late brakers into a corner.... You know, Race, it's what he tends to do.....
I was under the impression that both drivers would be using Friday engines which were near their end of life, so they'd have no reason to keep Hamilton's turned down. Unless they are in real trouble with how far they have to stretch things ...

Yes, you're probably right on the tyres. Although with a trademark lousy start and slipping back by 0.2 seconds a lap, I can't see Hamilton being close enough to provoke Rosberg into mistakes - and equally to outbrake him would require a smaller gap than is likely with the current deficit, surely?

If it weren't for the appalling starts he is making this year, I'd be expecting something on the first lap, however, there is a statistical analysis around somewhere showing both Mercedes are 20-30% worse on the start than the Red Bulls and Ferraris and Hamilton is 5-10% worse than his teammate. I'll have to try and dig it out.