Getting very tired of the 2 brats at Mercedes
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It's getting silly.
They have the most dominant car I've ever seen in my time watching F1.
They are re-writing the record books and amassing stats that they would never have dreamed of a few years ago.
Each of them only has to turn up and beat one driver to win a race or a championship.
And all they appear to do is snipe and moan and whinge.
And their teamwork is in doubt too (Lewis, for example, trying to get the stewards to demote a Mercedes from pole).
The episode in the post-race interview in Hungary was embarrassing. I couldn't help but see a smiling Ricciardo there and wish him to the top step.
Please, please smile boys. Or let someone else win.
They have the most dominant car I've ever seen in my time watching F1.
They are re-writing the record books and amassing stats that they would never have dreamed of a few years ago.
Each of them only has to turn up and beat one driver to win a race or a championship.
And all they appear to do is snipe and moan and whinge.
And their teamwork is in doubt too (Lewis, for example, trying to get the stewards to demote a Mercedes from pole).
The episode in the post-race interview in Hungary was embarrassing. I couldn't help but see a smiling Ricciardo there and wish him to the top step.
Please, please smile boys. Or let someone else win.
Intra-team rivalry 'too interesting' for some.
The way Mercedes have acquitted themselves this season is a credit to the sport. Toto and Lauda, comprising the public face of the 'team', are refreshingly transparent about their team and their driver's conduct. They make the years of Red Bull domination look even worse, where the team were so tight-lipped on all things internal.
Mercedes have two drivers who, in isolation, could win WDCs and together will inevitably win the WCC. Despite this they allow their drivers compete with one another to some extent, despite it coming back and slapping them in the face repeatedly.
Think what you like about the drivers, you have to give some credit to the team though.
The way Mercedes have acquitted themselves this season is a credit to the sport. Toto and Lauda, comprising the public face of the 'team', are refreshingly transparent about their team and their driver's conduct. They make the years of Red Bull domination look even worse, where the team were so tight-lipped on all things internal.
Mercedes have two drivers who, in isolation, could win WDCs and together will inevitably win the WCC. Despite this they allow their drivers compete with one another to some extent, despite it coming back and slapping them in the face repeatedly.
Think what you like about the drivers, you have to give some credit to the team though.
Edited by HustleRussell on Wednesday 27th July 12:46
I wish people would make their mind up, do we want corporate drones or individuals in the sport? Presumably we want characters, intrigue, tension, arguments etc. You can't have that without occasionally coming across somebody you personally dislike/disagree with for whatever reason.
I think Hamilton had a very good point and articulated it well, particularly with regards to how double waved yellows are perceived in lower formulas. Say what you like about him but he cares passionately about motorsport as a whole, that much has been very evident, particularly in some of the longer interviews he's done this year.
I think Hamilton had a very good point and articulated it well, particularly with regards to how double waved yellows are perceived in lower formulas. Say what you like about him but he cares passionately about motorsport as a whole, that much has been very evident, particularly in some of the longer interviews he's done this year.
The stakes are high, disregarding the post race discussion of Hungary (which personally I thought was one of LH's finer moments) the outcome of this championship has huge implications on their careers.
If NR fails to win the championship he's not just labelling himself as second best for the rest of his career he's quite possibly giving up on the one career goal he has set himself since a child-to win the world championship.
For LH, this is the chance to truly establish himself as one of the all time greats (if he hasn't already), three world titles in a row and the dominance of a very capable teammate. I can only think of one multiple world champion who has won so comprehensively against such strong competition and that's Prost and it's not like he really dominated Lauda and Senna.
If NR fails to win the championship he's not just labelling himself as second best for the rest of his career he's quite possibly giving up on the one career goal he has set himself since a child-to win the world championship.
For LH, this is the chance to truly establish himself as one of the all time greats (if he hasn't already), three world titles in a row and the dominance of a very capable teammate. I can only think of one multiple world champion who has won so comprehensively against such strong competition and that's Prost and it's not like he really dominated Lauda and Senna.
Yes this. Its very unusual to not have a number 1 driver in the team, especially when there is a chance of winning the WDC. In fact I cannot think of another WDC whose team mate was allowed equal machinery and allowed to fight on equal terms. Perhaps the last time was reigning WDC Alonso when Hamilton was his team mate (although Alonso thought he had number 1 status)
n3il123 said:
This is nothing, have a look at the late 80s when McLaren were on top, there was, how can it be put? Not much love lost between Senna and Prost. See also Mansell and Piquet at Williams in 86 and 87.
I think a lot of F1 fans have no idea of the history of the sport they follow. The OP going by this thread seems to be one of them Not slowing down due to worries about fellow drivers gaining time killed Jules Bianchi. There is no way he was ready to stop if he aquaplaned.
Double waved yellows is serious. a 20 metre lift is not sufficient and I agree with Hamilton on this. Single yellow, maybe but not double.
Hamilton lost a pole chance due to yellows in Monaco after Rosberg went up the escape road, because he was following the rules. Conspiracy theories on the incident aside, he respected the yellows and paid the price.
Double waved yellows is serious. a 20 metre lift is not sufficient and I agree with Hamilton on this. Single yellow, maybe but not double.
Hamilton lost a pole chance due to yellows in Monaco after Rosberg went up the escape road, because he was following the rules. Conspiracy theories on the incident aside, he respected the yellows and paid the price.
Smollet said:
n3il123 said:
This is nothing, have a look at the late 80s when McLaren were on top, there was, how can it be put? Not much love lost between Senna and Prost. See also Mansell and Piquet at Williams in 86 and 87.
I think a lot of F1 fans have no idea of the history of the sport they follow. The OP going by this thread seems to be one of them Smollet said:
n3il123 said:
This is nothing, have a look at the late 80s when McLaren were on top, there was, how can it be put? Not much love lost between Senna and Prost. See also Mansell and Piquet at Williams in 86 and 87.
I think a lot of F1 fans have no idea of the history of the sport they follow. The OP going by this thread seems to be one of them deadslow said:
Smollet said:
n3il123 said:
This is nothing, have a look at the late 80s when McLaren were on top, there was, how can it be put? Not much love lost between Senna and Prost. See also Mansell and Piquet at Williams in 86 and 87.
I think a lot of F1 fans have no idea of the history of the sport they follow. The OP going by this thread seems to be one of them oyster said:
It's getting silly.
They have the most dominant car I've ever seen in my time watching F1.
They are re-writing the record books and amassing stats that they would never have dreamed of a few years ago.
Each of them only has to turn up and beat one driver to win a race or a championship.
And all they appear to do is snipe and moan and whinge.
And their teamwork is in doubt too (Lewis, for example, trying to get the stewards to demote a Mercedes from pole).
The episode in the post-race interview in Hungary was embarrassing. I couldn't help but see a smiling Ricciardo there and wish him to the top step.
Please, please smile boys. Or let someone else win.
1) lewis didn't try to get nico disqualified...he asked Charlie for clarification on the rules. its up to the stewards to investigate, and to be fair they should have done it much earlierThey have the most dominant car I've ever seen in my time watching F1.
They are re-writing the record books and amassing stats that they would never have dreamed of a few years ago.
Each of them only has to turn up and beat one driver to win a race or a championship.
And all they appear to do is snipe and moan and whinge.
And their teamwork is in doubt too (Lewis, for example, trying to get the stewards to demote a Mercedes from pole).
The episode in the post-race interview in Hungary was embarrassing. I couldn't help but see a smiling Ricciardo there and wish him to the top step.
Please, please smile boys. Or let someone else win.
2) nothing wrong with the post race press conference, lewis explained why he wanted things clarifying, Daniel Riccardo agreed with lewis, as has vettel since....it only seems like nico thinks its ok.
3) if you don't like it....don't watch it
37chevy said:
oyster said:
It's getting silly.
They have the most dominant car I've ever seen in my time watching F1.
They are re-writing the record books and amassing stats that they would never have dreamed of a few years ago.
Each of them only has to turn up and beat one driver to win a race or a championship.
And all they appear to do is snipe and moan and whinge.
And their teamwork is in doubt too (Lewis, for example, trying to get the stewards to demote a Mercedes from pole).
The episode in the post-race interview in Hungary was embarrassing. I couldn't help but see a smiling Ricciardo there and wish him to the top step.
Please, please smile boys. Or let someone else win.
1) lewis didn't try to get nico disqualified...he asked Charlie for clarification on the rules. its up to the stewards to investigate, and to be fair they should have done it much earlierThey have the most dominant car I've ever seen in my time watching F1.
They are re-writing the record books and amassing stats that they would never have dreamed of a few years ago.
Each of them only has to turn up and beat one driver to win a race or a championship.
And all they appear to do is snipe and moan and whinge.
And their teamwork is in doubt too (Lewis, for example, trying to get the stewards to demote a Mercedes from pole).
The episode in the post-race interview in Hungary was embarrassing. I couldn't help but see a smiling Ricciardo there and wish him to the top step.
Please, please smile boys. Or let someone else win.
2) nothing wrong with the post race press conference, lewis explained why he wanted things clarifying, Daniel Riccardo agreed with lewis, as has vettel since....it only seems like nico thinks its ok.
3) if you don't like it....don't watch it
was waiting for one of these guys to turn updeadslow said:
was waiting for one of these guys to turn upseriously though I don't understand what the issue is!....people are so happy to b
h and moan these days....id rather have a bit of needle between team mates than 1 dominant driver like in the Schumacher years where his bh of a teammate had to move over....yes Mercedes have a dominant car, and yes the drivers are not everyones taste, but neither was Schumacher, prost or senna to a lot of people... I honestly think fans look through rose tinted specs at the past, and lets face it these kind of games have ALWAYS existed in f1...just in the digital age we see it now!...remember prost getting the red flag flown at monoco, Schumacher being let through all the time, traction control in his benneton and not his team mates, senna, prost, schumachers dirty driving....its nothing new here people!37chevy said:
deadslow said:
was waiting for one of these guys to turn upseriously though I don't understand what the issue is!....people are so happy to b
h and moan these days....id rather have a bit of needle between team mates than 1 dominant driver like in the Schumacher years where his bh of a teammate had to move over....yes Mercedes have a dominant car, and yes the drivers are not everyones taste, but neither was Schumacher, prost or senna to a lot of people... I honestly think fans look through rose tinted specs at the past, and lets face it these kind of games have ALWAYS existed in f1...just in the digital age we see it now!...remember prost getting the red flag flown at monoco, Schumacher being let through all the time, traction control in his benneton and not his team mates, senna, prost, schumachers dirty driving....its nothing new here people!OP thinks LH/NR are a pair of spoilt moaning minnies. He's right.
deadslow said:
OP thinks LH/NR are a pair of spoilt moaning minnies. He's right.
as is Alonso, vettel, grojean, guttierez etc etc etc. lets face it, theres not many drivers out there who don't moan until they get what they want!...theyre incredibly driven, selfish individuals.....and that's why theyre good at what they do.37chevy said:
deadslow said:
OP thinks LH/NR are a pair of spoilt moaning minnies. He's right.
as is Alonso, vettel, grojean, guttierez etc etc etc. lets face it, theres not many drivers out there who don't moan until they get what they want!...theyre incredibly driven, selfish individuals.....and that's why theyre good at what they do.
c'est la vie.37chevy said:
deadslow said:
OP thinks LH/NR are a pair of spoilt moaning minnies. He's right.
as is Alonso, vettel, grojean, guttierez etc etc etc. lets face it, theres not many drivers out there who don't moan until they get what they want!...theyre incredibly driven, selfish individuals.....and that's one of the reasons why theyre good at what they do.deadslow said:
yes, if you support a driver, he is articulating a perfectly justifiable a point of view and driving a strategy to win the WDC. If you don't support that driver, he is a whinging, spoilt little moaner c'est la vie.
the point is ALL drivers are like that.....I cant remember any that haven't had a moan over the years.....just some of us aren't blikered.....yes im a Hamilton fan but also like webber, montoys button and Riccardo....and realise they've all had a winge over the years...more some than others. some on here though seem to think their particular driver is perfect and everyone else is the devil c'est la vie.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff