Getting very tired of the 2 brats at Mercedes

[Dr Z]

cgt2 said:

But on the flipside to your argument, Kimi totally switched off in 2008 after winning it

Funnily enough I was watching the 2007 season review yesterday...wasn't a proper fan of F1 back then, but based on that 3 hour review, I'd have to say it looked like a Rosberg-like performance from Kimi but he's proved enough and more in other seasons notably 2003 and 2005, both in terms of raw speed and racecraft. I agree with the thought, basically proving oneself to one's peers by winning the WDC and 'switching off'. Nothing left to prove. May be Rosberg will switch off too? He doesn't strike me as that kind.

[cgt2]

Dr Z said:

Funnily enough I was watching the 2007 season review yesterday...wasn't a proper fan of F1 back then, but based on that 3 hour review, I'd have to say it looked like a Rosberg-like performance from Kimi but he's proved enough and more in other seasons notably 2003 and 2005, both in terms of raw speed and racecraft. I agree with the thought, basically proving oneself to one's peers by winning the WDC and 'switching off'. Nothing left to prove. May be Rosberg will switch off too? He doesn't strike me as that kind.

The first quarter of 2007 Kimi was absolutely nowhere (Australia apart) and I remember there was huge debate about Ferrari making an expensive mistake by hiring him. But from that point on he was super consistent whilst the McLarens fought amongst themselves.

In all reality Hamilton and McLaren threw the championship away in China in the pitlane, it was such an easy win for them and would have made history as a rookie winning the championship in his first season. If Hamilton knew half of what he knows now back then he should have realised that a podium (or was it 5th? memory hazy) would have guaranteed him the title and he didn't need to go for the win on that day.

Kimi's most impressive season to me was 2005, he was right on it and drove some amazing races (including Japan of course right from the back of the field to win). If his McLaren had been more reliable in those times he should really have won at least one and possibly two championships with them.

[slipstream 1985]

williamp said:

Yes this. Its very unusual to not have a number 1 driver in the team, especially when there is a chance of winning the WDC. In fact I cannot think of another WDC whose team mate was allowed equal machinery and allowed to fight on equal terms. Perhaps the last time was reigning WDC Alonso when Hamilton was his team mate (although Alonso thought he had number 1 status)

Jenson barachello the year brawn won it?

[cgt2]

slipstream 1985 said:

Jenson barachello the year brawn won it?

The perpetual number 2 driver Rubens?

[Mattygooner]

Poor old Rubens, I think they call his name out in Bingo now.

"Rubens Barrichello, number 2"

[hora]

Brats? Ones a triple world champion wheel to wheel racer.

The other is Britney.

[Wills2]

If you ask me it's the needle between them that's making the season worth following on and off the track, F1 is always better when there is a good bit of rivalry.

I just don't see what the issue is, and Ricciardo wasn't smiling a few weeks ago when he was getting beaten by his team mate was he? Bottom lip came out then.

[anonymous-user]

Wills2 said:

If you ask me it's the needle between them that's making the season worth following on and off the track, F1 is always better when there is a good bit of rivalry.

It's true competition between teams and drivers driving truly fast cars on the limit that make it worth following. Sadly, we haven't had that for many years, which is why the focus has swung to off track, fake 'needle' and celebrity antics.

Next year could be better, if the shackles are taken off Pirelli.

[lord summerisle]

ukaskew said:

I wish people would make their mind up, do we want corporate drones or individuals in the sport? Presumably we want characters, intrigue, tension, arguments etc. You can't have that without occasionally coming across somebody you personally dislike/disagree with for whatever reason.

I think Hamilton had a very good point and articulated it well, particularly with regards to how double waved yellows are perceived in lower formulas. Say what you like about him but he cares passionately about motorsport as a whole, that much has been very evident, particularly in some of the longer interviews he's done this year.

And for at least the last 4 or 5 years years when the drivers are taken round silverstone on the truck before the British GP Hamilton has stopped waving to the crowd to give each group of marshal's stood trackside a thumbs up

[cgt2]

lord summerisle said:

And for at least the last 4 or 5 years years when the drivers are taken round silverstone on the truck before the British GP Hamilton has stopped waving to the crowd to give each group of marshal's stood trackside a thumbs up

Despicable behaviour, how dare he ignore the fans.

[entropy]

heebeegeetee said:

Speaking as someone who was around at the time and loved every single minute of it all back then, I do think LH and NR are behaving massively more maturely than Messrs Prost, Piquet, Mansell and Senna did back in the day.

What did Prost do that was blatantly churlish? There is no doubting he was a devious character and more cunning than a fox but he was so friendly and good terms with journalists he was able to draw sympathy (eg. cf. Mansell/Nigel Roebuck), mixed reactions and the thought of 'Prost? no, not Prost...'

[Wills2]

REALIST123 said:

Wills2 said:

If you ask me it's the needle between them that's making the season worth following on and off the track, F1 is always better when there is a good bit of rivalry.

It's true competition between teams and drivers driving truly fast cars on the limit that make it worth following. Sadly, we haven't had that for many years, which is why the focus has swung to off track, fake 'needle' and celebrity antics.

Next year could be better, if the shackles are taken off Pirelli.

Yes that's disappointing and I try not to think about that bit, hopefully next year they will be let of the leash.

[Hungrymc]

jm doc said:

deadslow said:

REALIST123 said:

37chevy said:

2) nothing wrong with the post race press conference, lewis explained why he wanted things clarifying, Daniel Riccardo agreed with lewis, as has vettel since....it only seems like nico thinks its ok.

........and the stewards, of course. Things seem clear enough.

true

Same people who were saying the stewards got it wrong in Austria when Rosberg was penalised for running Hamilton off the track

But the change in direction - the red flag instead of double yellows. I'd say that vindicates those (who were the majority) who were saying a small lift isn't enough in a situation where there is a potential stranded car and marshals on track. It's typical of F1 to create a new rule as opposed to admit they allowed a stupid interpretation of the original one. There were two instances where drivers exploited a slightly vague area, and instead of clarification, we get a new rule which will be exploited in a different way (spin at T1 after a good lap maybe)

[hora]

Would love it if Max had gone upto him and chased the Fin down the pitlane

[zebra]

entropy said:

What did Prost do that was blatantly churlish? There is no doubting he was a devious character and more cunning than a fox but he was so friendly and good terms with journalists he was able to draw sympathy (eg. cf. Mansell/Nigel Roebuck), mixed reactions and the thought of 'Prost? no, not Prost...'

Why be overt when you have Balestre fighting your corner.

[entropy]

zebra said:

entropy said:

What did Prost do that was blatantly churlish? There is no doubting he was a devious character and more cunning than a fox but he was so friendly and good terms with journalists he was able to draw sympathy (eg. cf. Mansell/Nigel Roebuck), mixed reactions and the thought of 'Prost? no, not Prost...'

Why be overt when you have Balestre fighting your corner.

That's exactly why I questioned lumping Prost with Mansell, Senna, Piquet as moaners/brats. He could throw his dummy out the pram without looking churlish.

And another thing Prost never like Balestre. As I pointed out Prost was friendly with journalists and spoke his mind and openly critical of the FISA administration. It's easy to say Balestre favoured Prost and forgetting that Balestre didn't like Senna!

[zebra]

entropy said:

zebra said:

entropy said:

What did Prost do that was blatantly churlish? There is no doubting he was a devious character and more cunning than a fox but he was so friendly and good terms with journalists he was able to draw sympathy (eg. cf. Mansell/Nigel Roebuck), mixed reactions and the thought of 'Prost? no, not Prost...'

Why be overt when you have Balestre fighting your corner.

That's exactly why I questioned lumping Prost with Mansell, Senna, Piquet as moaners/brats. He could throw his dummy out the pram without looking churlish.

And another thing Prost never like Balestre. As I pointed out Prost was friendly with journalists and spoke his mind and openly critical of the FISA administration. It's easy to say Balestre favoured Prost and forgetting that Balestre didn't like Senna!

Aren't we saying the same thing?

[phillip123hastings]

Same happened with Vettel and RB a few years back, and now this. When only one or two drivers win all the racers, is there any point in actually watching the races? This needs to stop as soon as possible, but with the way things are looking, i highly doubt it

[HustleRussell]

phillip123hastings said:

Same happened with Vettel and RB a few years back, and now this. When only one or two drivers win all the racers, is there any point in actually watching the races? This needs to stop as soon as possible, but with the way things are looking, i highly doubt it

Yes, one team dominating is indeed unprecedented

[Smollet]

HustleRussell said:

phillip123hastings said:

Same happened with Vettel and RB a few years back, and now this. When only one or two drivers win all the racers, is there any point in actually watching the races? This needs to stop as soon as possible, but with the way things are looking, i highly doubt it

Yes, one team dominating is indeed unprecedented