The Official 2016 Belgian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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Bradgate said:
London424 said:
Is it really that difficult?
He's used more engine components than the rules allow. Therefore he is starting at the back. As he is starting at the back there's no point in using lots of tyres during qualifying.
My point is that casual fans, who have been deserting F1 en masse, don't care about any of that. They just want to see Lewis fight for pole, then fight for the win. He's used more engine components than the rules allow. Therefore he is starting at the back. As he is starting at the back there's no point in using lots of tyres during qualifying.
Your quite ridiculous aren't you, the world doesn't spin around your overrated t
t called "Lucky I'm in a Mercedes Lewis". F1 is broadcasted around the world, most place on earth don't give a f
k about your Lewis fighting for pole or for the win, their pretty annoyed by the Mercedes dominance. I bet that's the reason that F1 is losing viewers.DeltonaS said:
Bradgate said:
London424 said:
Is it really that difficult?
He's used more engine components than the rules allow. Therefore he is starting at the back. As he is starting at the back there's no point in using lots of tyres during qualifying.
My point is that casual fans, who have been deserting F1 en masse, don't care about any of that. They just want to see Lewis fight for pole, then fight for the win. He's used more engine components than the rules allow. Therefore he is starting at the back. As he is starting at the back there's no point in using lots of tyres during qualifying.
Your quite ridiculous aren't you, the world doesn't spin around your overrated t
t called "Lucky I'm in a Mercedes Lewis". F1 is broadcasted around the world, most place on earth don't give a f
k about your Lewis fighting for pole or for the win, their pretty annoyed by the Mercedes dominance. I bet that's the reason that F1 is losing viewers.As for 'lucky to be in a Mercedes Lewis'... luck favours the brave. It worked for Vettel at Red Bull also. And Lewis's fan base is worldwide. Go see what that old fart Bernie said about that. Sensing bitterness through the Internet is quite something.
This should be a great race.
Bradgate said:
Most people who watch F1 do so to see the world's beat drivers race flat-out wheel-to -wheel, yet that so rarely happens because the rules on aero, tyres, fuel-saving, grid penalties etc often appear specifically designed to prevent it.
They're watching the wrong sport then, F1 has never been like that ever- those amazing moments get that get replayed to death are the hilight reel of decades of racing. Crafty_ said:
Derek Smith said:
So LH won't have to set his car up for qualifying.
Spa is, I think I read, one of the more difficult tracks to set a car up for. Qualifying needs low downforce in the first sector (through Eau Rouge!) but in the race higher downforce can be handy.
So does starting at the back, or possibly the pitlane, mean that he is able to set the car up for better performance, ie easier to overtaking?
I know I might be talking rubbish. Just a thought.
I don't think there is such a thing as a qualifying setup any more because of the parc ferme rules - what they qualify with is what they race with, so the setups are somewhere in between. Granted, you can still make the decision between low/high downforce though.Spa is, I think I read, one of the more difficult tracks to set a car up for. Qualifying needs low downforce in the first sector (through Eau Rouge!) but in the race higher downforce can be handy.
So does starting at the back, or possibly the pitlane, mean that he is able to set the car up for better performance, ie easier to overtaking?
I know I might be talking rubbish. Just a thought.
That said, it goes for NR as well, so no advantage to LH there. But Merc are not the only team where team members are very close.
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
Derek Smith said:
I think that's the point I was trying to make. LH and NR are very close on qually speed and so there is pressure to set the car up mainly for qually in order to get on pole. LH can ignore that and go for race.
That said, it goes for NR as well, so no advantage to LH there. But Merc are not the only team where team members are very close.
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
Sorry I don't adhere to that at all. Race fans will know better and understand that he needs to maximise his options for the race by not wasting time and components on a frivolous task in qualifying where he stands no chance. I suspect he will take part though.That said, it goes for NR as well, so no advantage to LH there. But Merc are not the only team where team members are very close.
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
Smollet said:
Derek Smith said:
I think that's the point I was trying to make. LH and NR are very close on qually speed and so there is pressure to set the car up mainly for qually in order to get on pole. LH can ignore that and go for race.
That said, it goes for NR as well, so no advantage to LH there. But Merc are not the only team where team members are very close.
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
Sorry I don't adhere to that at all. Race fans will know better and understand that he needs to maximise his options for the race by not wasting time and components on a frivolous task in qualifying where he stands no chance. I suspect he will take part though.That said, it goes for NR as well, so no advantage to LH there. But Merc are not the only team where team members are very close.
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
Derek Smith said:
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
I see it differently, I see it has LH would save his tyres so that he can race, actually race, not save tyres, for a lot more on Sunday. Which therefore should be more entertaining for the fans.....Watching FP1/2 I'm constantly disappointed at what a mess Ferrari are in and the gap between what their press releases say and their performance on track. They just seem unable to understand the tyres and make the car work properly outside of a very narrow window.... they have two of the best and most experienced drivers on the grid but watching them you would have thought they were both rookies the way they were forced to wrestle that car around the track yesterday.
VolvoT5 said:
Watching FP1/2 I'm constantly disappointed at what a mess Ferrari are in and the gap between what their press releases say and their performance on track. They just seem unable to understand the tyres and make the car work properly outside of a very narrow window.... they have two of the best and most experienced drivers on the grid but watching them you would have thought they were both rookies the way they were forced to wrestle that car around the track yesterday.
It's gone back to the Lambrusco and pasta days when it was run from afar by people who haven't a clue about F1. In a perverse way I'm quite enjoying their misery. It's just a shame two top class drivers are wasting their time.Smollet said:
It's just a shame two top class drivers are wasting their time.
So where should they go?Renault seem to be in it for the long haul and have a track record of pulling together a good team, but would be a 5 year plan.
Ferrari have the resources but seem to be in pre-Brawn self destruct mode
RB - been there, done that for Vettel
Merc - no seats
Others are all 2nd tier (Renault are now, but I can see light for them and they are hiring and investing the right way in my view)
Vettel best bet is to stay at Ferrari for 2017 and see what happens?
London424 said:
Smollet said:
Derek Smith said:
I think that's the point I was trying to make. LH and NR are very close on qually speed and so there is pressure to set the car up mainly for qually in order to get on pole. LH can ignore that and go for race.
That said, it goes for NR as well, so no advantage to LH there. But Merc are not the only team where team members are very close.
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
Sorry I don't adhere to that at all. Race fans will know better and understand that he needs to maximise his options for the race by not wasting time and components on a frivolous task in qualifying where he stands no chance. I suspect he will take part though.That said, it goes for NR as well, so no advantage to LH there. But Merc are not the only team where team members are very close.
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
I'm not talking about his fans only of course, I'm talking about those who've paid the not insubstantial entrance fee.
I know the reasons he might only run once. It is hardly involved. But that is the point. We've recently had a thread on what is wrong with F1 and lack of spectacle is one of the points raised.
Qually is when we see the cars are their fastest. It is when we see drivers pushing the cars to their limits. I don't see myself as a particular fan of LH, at least above any other driver whose abilities and commitment make him entertaining, but I love seeing him drive flat out, especially that final lap in Q3 after he's got a banker in. I think the F1 fans who have gone today will probably be of the same mind.
But, it seems, they might not get what they want, what they thought they were going to get when they paid their money.
If you went to a show in town and found the star had decided to take the day off because of tax reasons, you'd be miffed. And Hamilton is the star. He's leading the WDC after an incredible run of success. He's the man of the moment and a big draw.
Schumacher did something similar and received a pasting on here. I was one of the many who complained and I don't remember anyone mentioning being embarrassed.
In any case, we don't know what he's going to do yet. Let's hope he straps on old rubber and goes for it. It will keep the fans happy.
Smollet said:
VolvoT5 said:
Watching FP1/2 I'm constantly disappointed at what a mess Ferrari are in and the gap between what their press releases say and their performance on track. They just seem unable to understand the tyres and make the car work properly outside of a very narrow window.... they have two of the best and most experienced drivers on the grid but watching them you would have thought they were both rookies the way they were forced to wrestle that car around the track yesterday.
It's gone back to the Lambrusco and pasta days when it was run from afar by people who haven't a clue about F1. In a perverse way I'm quite enjoying their misery. It's just a shame two top class drivers are wasting their time.t he would say that Ferrari are no closer to winning than McLaren. It's taken nearly two years but where I used to think Alonso was trying to defend his bad decision, I'd say it's now been vindicated. Ferrari were the second best car and slipping downwards, McLaren are the fifth best and improving... For the first time in the V6T era, I wouldn't like to call which car is likely to win a race first. I believe it's just as likely to be McLaren as Ferrari.
Edited by HustleRussell on Saturday 27th August 09:33
Derek Smith said:
London424 said:
Smollet said:
Derek Smith said:
I think that's the point I was trying to make. LH and NR are very close on qually speed and so there is pressure to set the car up mainly for qually in order to get on pole. LH can ignore that and go for race.
That said, it goes for NR as well, so no advantage to LH there. But Merc are not the only team where team members are very close.
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
Sorry I don't adhere to that at all. Race fans will know better and understand that he needs to maximise his options for the race by not wasting time and components on a frivolous task in qualifying where he stands no chance. I suspect he will take part though.That said, it goes for NR as well, so no advantage to LH there. But Merc are not the only team where team members are very close.
I'm looking forward to this race. Could be fun. However, a bit rotten for those who've paid the Saturday entrance fee not to see a battle for pole. If LH only goes out for a single lap it would be sticking two fingers up to his fans.
I'm not talking about his fans only of course, I'm talking about those who've paid the not insubstantial entrance fee.
I know the reasons he might only run once. It is hardly involved. But that is the point. We've recently had a thread on what is wrong with F1 and lack of spectacle is one of the points raised.
Qually is when we see the cars are their fastest. It is when we see drivers pushing the cars to their limits. I don't see myself as a particular fan of LH, at least above any other driver whose abilities and commitment make him entertaining, but I love seeing him drive flat out, especially that final lap in Q3 after he's got a banker in. I think the F1 fans who have gone today will probably be of the same mind.
But, it seems, they might not get what they want, what they thought they were going to get when they paid their money.
If you went to a show in town and found the star had decided to take the day off because of tax reasons, you'd be miffed. And Hamilton is the star. He's leading the WDC after an incredible run of success. He's the man of the moment and a big draw.
Schumacher did something similar and received a pasting on here. I was one of the many who complained and I don't remember anyone mentioning being embarrassed.
In any case, we don't know what he's going to do yet. Let's hope he straps on old rubber and goes for it. It will keep the fans happy.
DeltonaS said:
Casual fans ?
Your quite ridiculous aren't you, the world doesn't spin around your overrated tt called "Lucky I'm in a Mercedes Lewis".
F1 is broadcasted around the world, most place on earth don't give a fk about your Lewis fighting for pole or for the win, their pretty annoyed by the Mercedes dominance. I bet that's the reason that F1 is losing viewers.
this guy really doesn't like the Brits winning does he.Your quite ridiculous aren't you, the world doesn't spin around your overrated t
t called "Lucky I'm in a Mercedes Lewis". F1 is broadcasted around the world, most place on earth don't give a f
k about your Lewis fighting for pole or for the win, their pretty annoyed by the Mercedes dominance. I bet that's the reason that F1 is losing viewers.Made the mistake of watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKTlmZzzyiA&li...
before FP3 this morning.
Red Bull and Ferrari pace genuine or just that Mercedes haven't gone for a proper qualifying run yet?
before FP3 this morning.
Red Bull and Ferrari pace genuine or just that Mercedes haven't gone for a proper qualifying run yet?
Derek Smith said:
I'm sorry to embarrass you.
I'm not talking about his fans only of course, I'm talking about those who've paid the not insubstantial entrance fee.
I know the reasons he might only run once. It is hardly involved. But that is the point. We've recently had a thread on what is wrong with F1 and lack of spectacle is one of the points raised.
Qually is when we see the cars are their fastest. It is when we see drivers pushing the cars to their limits. I don't see myself as a particular fan of LH, at least above any other driver whose abilities and commitment make him entertaining, but I love seeing him drive flat out, especially that final lap in Q3 after he's got a banker in. I think the F1 fans who have gone today will probably be of the same mind.
But, it seems, they might not get what they want, what they thought they were going to get when they paid their money.
If you went to a show in town and found the star had decided to take the day off because of tax reasons, you'd be miffed. And Hamilton is the star. He's leading the WDC after an incredible run of success. He's the man of the moment and a big draw.
Schumacher did something similar and received a pasting on here. I was one of the many who complained and I don't remember anyone mentioning being embarrassed.
In any case, we don't know what he's going to do yet. Let's hope he straps on old rubber and goes for it. It will keep the fans happy.
Given the fact that Hamilton is in this situation because of reliability issues, isn't it logical to you, Derek, that he doesn't seek to take more out of the engine and its components than he absolutley needs to? I'm not talking about his fans only of course, I'm talking about those who've paid the not insubstantial entrance fee.
I know the reasons he might only run once. It is hardly involved. But that is the point. We've recently had a thread on what is wrong with F1 and lack of spectacle is one of the points raised.
Qually is when we see the cars are their fastest. It is when we see drivers pushing the cars to their limits. I don't see myself as a particular fan of LH, at least above any other driver whose abilities and commitment make him entertaining, but I love seeing him drive flat out, especially that final lap in Q3 after he's got a banker in. I think the F1 fans who have gone today will probably be of the same mind.
But, it seems, they might not get what they want, what they thought they were going to get when they paid their money.
If you went to a show in town and found the star had decided to take the day off because of tax reasons, you'd be miffed. And Hamilton is the star. He's leading the WDC after an incredible run of success. He's the man of the moment and a big draw.
Schumacher did something similar and received a pasting on here. I was one of the many who complained and I don't remember anyone mentioning being embarrassed.
In any case, we don't know what he's going to do yet. Let's hope he straps on old rubber and goes for it. It will keep the fans happy.
This might be a good time to post the long run calcs I did...
Hard to gauge the speed improvement of the McLaren as they were simply hanging around on the 1:55s. Qualifying should give us some indication of their potential.
As ever, look at the slope, average and the min/max times to get an idea of the pecking order...the Red Bull looks to be a match for the Merc whichever way you look so it won't be plain sailing for Rosberg at the front...and oh look Ferrari have done some homework overnight too. It's shaping up well...hope Merc don't turn it up to 11 to surprise us all.
| Tyre | Driver | No. of laps | Minimum | 75% Percentile | Maximum | Average | SD | Slope |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Super Soft | BUT | 3 | 1: 55.7 | 1: 56.4 | 1: 56.4 | 1: 55.9 | 0.4134 | 0.043 ± 0.071 |
| Super Soft | HUL | 8 | 1: 54.4 | 1: 55.9 | 1: 56.3 | 1: 55.5 | 0.6177 | 0.17 ± 0.069 |
| Super Soft | KVY | 3 | 1: 55.1 | 1: 57.4 | 1: 57.4 | 1: 56.3 | 1.173 | 0.13 ± 0.05 |
| Super Soft | MAS | 4 | 1: 54.2 | 1: 56.1 | 1: 56.2 | 1: 55.3 | 0.8707 | 0.052 ± 0.039 |
| Super Soft | NAS | 5 | 1: 56.7 | 1: 57.6 | 1: 57.9 | 1: 57.2 | 0.4521 | 0.2 ± 0.046 |
| Super Soft | PAL | 7 | 1: 55.6 | 1: 57.6 | 1: 59 | 1: 57.2 | 1.026 | 0.086 ± 0.047 |
| Super Soft | PER | 6 | 1: 53.2 | 1: 55.8 | 1: 56.3 | 1: 54.8 | 1.105 | 0.053 ± 0.046 |
| Super Soft | RIC | 6 | 1: 53.5 | 1: 55.9 | 1: 56.6 | 1: 55.1 | 1.192 | 0.0019 ± 0.015 |
| Super Soft | SAI | 3 | 1: 55.7 | 1: 57.1 | 1: 57.1 | 1: 56.6 | 0.7706 | 0.047 ± 0.042 |
| Super Soft | VES | 4 | 1: 53.3 | 1: 55.8 | 1: 55.9 | 1: 55 | 1.184 | 0.2 ± 0.06 |
| Super Soft | VET | 5 | 1: 54 | 1: 55.7 | 1: 55.9 | 1: 55.1 | 0.7012 | 0.48 ± 0.11 |
| Super Soft | WEH | 4 | 1: 55.3 | 1: 56.3 | 1: 56.4 | 1: 55.9 | 0.4797 | 0.46 ± 0.28 |
| Soft | ALO | 5 | 1: 55.5 | 1: 57.7 | 1: 58 | 1: 56.8 | 1.05 | 0.38 ± 0.058 |
| Soft | BOT | 7 | 1: 54.2 | 1: 55.2 | 1: 55.2 | 1: 55 | 0.3718 | 0.4 ± 0.063 |
| Soft | BUT | 4 | 1: 55.7 | 1: 56 | 1: 56 | 1: 55.9 | 0.1303 | 0.31 ± 0.066 |
| Soft | ERI | 9 | 1: 55.6 | 1: 57.3 | 1: 57.9 | 1: 56.9 | 0.6762 | 0.38 ± 0.17 |
| Soft | HAM | 11 | 1: 53.6 | 1: 55.2 | 1: 55.9 | 1: 54.7 | 0.6229 | 0.21 ± 0.052 |
| Soft | HUL | 4 | 1: 54.7 | 1: 55.7 | 1: 55.8 | 1: 55.3 | 0.4349 | 0.31 ± 0.034 |
| Soft | MAG | 11 | 1: 55.9 | 1: 59.6 | 2: 00.0 | 1: 58 | 1.395 | 0.12 ± 0.15 |
| Soft | MAS | 7 | 1: 55.4 | 1: 56.7 | 1: 56.8 | 1: 56.3 | 0.5175 | 0.15 ± 0.045 |
| Soft | NAS | 4 | 1: 56.2 | 1: 58.4 | 1: 58.5 | 1: 57.3 | 1.039 | 0.73 ± 0.23 |
| Soft | PAL | 8 | 1: 54.9 | 1: 57.6 | 1: 58.6 | 1: 56.8 | 1.112 | 0.34 ± 0.071 |
| Soft | PER | 5 | 1: 53.8 | 1: 55.3 | 1: 55.5 | 1: 54.8 | 0.6523 | 0.41 ± 0.077 |
| Soft | RAI | 8 | 1: 54.7 | 1: 57.4 | 1: 58 | 1: 56.5 | 1.093 | 0.23 ± 0.079 |
| Soft | RIC | 7 | 1: 53.7 | 1: 55 | 1: 55 | 1: 54.5 | 0.5396 | 0.32 ± 0.065 |
| Soft | ROS | 7 | 1: 53.4 | 1: 56 | 1: 56.6 | 1: 54.7 | 1.164 | 0.8 ± 0.055 |
| Soft | SAI | 9 | 1: 55.9 | 1: 57.5 | 1: 57.6 | 1: 57 | 0.521 | 0.14 ± 0.086 |
| Soft | VES | 7 | 1: 53.5 | 1: 55.4 | 1: 55.4 | 1: 54.5 | 0.7505 | 0.3 ± 0.03 |
| Soft | VET | 6 | 1: 53.7 | 1: 55.8 | 1: 56.7 | 1: 55.3 | 0.9956 | 0.22 ± 0.049 |
| Soft | WEH | 8 | 1: 56.3 | 1: 58.5 | 1: 58.7 | 1: 57.4 | 0.9391 | 0.66 ± 0.087 |
| Medium | ALO | 7 | 1: 55.8 | 1: 56.4 | 1: 56.7 | 1: 56.1 | 0.305 | 0.65 ± 0.16 |
| Medium | HAM | 9 | 1: 53.8 | 1: 55.5 | 1: 57.1 | 1: 54.9 | 1.014 | 0.37 ± 0.13 |
| Medium | HUL | 9 | 1: 54.8 | 1: 55.1 | 1: 55.3 | 1: 55 | 0.1385 | 0.59 ± 0.029 |
| Medium | KVY | 5 | 1: 55.1 | 1: 57.4 | 1: 57.7 | 1: 56.6 | 0.9916 | 0.43 ± 0.063 |
| Medium | OCO | 10 | 1: 58 | 1: 58.9 | 1: 59.2 | 1: 58.5 | 0.4216 | 0.37 ± 0.045 |
| Medium | PER | 9 | 1: 54.8 | 1: 56.5 | 1: 56.7 | 1: 55.7 | 0.6757 | 0.62 ± 0.46 |
| Medium | ROS | 7 | 1: 54.9 | 1: 55.8 | 1: 55.9 | 1: 55.4 | 0.3565 | 0.45 ± 0.22 |
Hard to gauge the speed improvement of the McLaren as they were simply hanging around on the 1:55s. Qualifying should give us some indication of their potential.
As ever, look at the slope, average and the min/max times to get an idea of the pecking order...the Red Bull looks to be a match for the Merc whichever way you look so it won't be plain sailing for Rosberg at the front...and oh look Ferrari have done some homework overnight too. It's shaping up well...hope Merc don't turn it up to 11 to surprise us all.
DeltonaS said:
Casual fans ?
Your quite ridiculous aren't you, the world doesn't spin around your overrated tt called "Lucky I'm in a Mercedes Lewis".
F1 is broadcasted around the world, most place on earth don't give a fk about your Lewis fighting for pole or for the win, their pretty annoyed by the Mercedes dominance. I bet that's the reason that F1 is losing viewers.
You really do have an attitude problem, don't you?Your quite ridiculous aren't you, the world doesn't spin around your overrated t
t called "Lucky I'm in a Mercedes Lewis". F1 is broadcasted around the world, most place on earth don't give a f
k about your Lewis fighting for pole or for the win, their pretty annoyed by the Mercedes dominance. I bet that's the reason that F1 is losing viewers.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff