The Official 2016 Belgian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
hairyben said:
Gorgeous graphics, that engine is a work of art.
They really areI remember Mercedes/McLaren brought one to our uni to give a talk (on CFD). They didn't bring a fully kitted out engine, its was mostly just the block with a few covers on it. But what a lovely thing to look at. Looked like it was milled from a solid block/billet of Aluminium. Lovely CNC patterns all over it.
They were talking about how they do CFD studies on the airbox to see how they can time the standing pressure waves that build up in there with the opening of the intake valves. This was in the NA V8 days. In fact, when Ted was talking about the intake trumpets on the Honda engine, its much the same thing. In the trumpet the air rushes down to the valve when the valve opens. When the valve shuts all that air slams into the valve and shoots off back up the trumpet. Its then partly reflected when it exits (same things happen in tunnels with hi-speed trains) so what you get inside is a standing pressure wave. The trumpets then are adjusted in length to keep this standing wave present and in-sync with the valve opening. et voila... extra super charging!
I am not sure of the numbers but I am sure if you get these sorts of things right on an NA engine you can manage something like 110-120% volumetric efficiency. i.e. you've managed to squish more air into the cylinder just like a super charger would.
Jasandjules said:
Lewis is taking another penalty, seems like he is going to have a spare engine to play with at the end of the season. I wonder if the rules will change shortly to stop others doing this...
It makes a mockery of the spirit of the rules. Why should you be able to 'bank' spare components by taking penalties that have no effect as you're already at the back of the grid?Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
Trabi601 said:
It makes a mockery of the spirit of the rules. Why should you be able to 'bank' spare components by taking penalties that have no effect as you're already at the back of the grid?
Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
I agree with this but I think the precedent was set last year when other teams (was it Red Bull?) banked engines. The rules are a joke really - what is to stop the likes of Mercedes or Ferrari starting next year by taking a 100+ place grid penalty at the first race and 'banking' 10 engines for the season?Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
Also people don't want to see penalties rolling over race after race so the FIA have to find a better way to penalise the teams without ruining the racing.
Trabi601 said:
It makes a mockery of the spirit of the rules. Why should you be able to 'bank' spare components by taking penalties that have no effect as you're already at the back of the grid?
Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
They used to have that rule, but it was dropped on the basis of the Renault and Honda engines being immensely crap and causing high numbers of penalties. I think the mclaren boys got near 10th components last year. Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
Personally I don't think grid penalties is the right way to punish for over use of components full stop, let alone spanning them over multiple races.
Crafty_ said:
They used to have that rule, but it was dropped on the basis of the Renault and Honda engines being immensely crap and causing high numbers of penalties. I think the mclaren boys got near 10th components last year.
Personally I don't think grid penalties is the right way to punish for over use of components full stop, let alone spanning them over multiple races.
The only other option is to stop people racing once they've had their allocation for the season. Hamilton fans would explode if that happened!Personally I don't think grid penalties is the right way to punish for over use of components full stop, let alone spanning them over multiple races.
RichB said:
I missed that Derek, what is the news on TPs?
LH reckoned that tyre pressures have been increased due to safety concerns and that is what is causing the overheating. He described them as balloons. I wonder what that means for the race.
Vestappen's tyres might last a bit longer. Perhaps that's why he's gone for SS in Q2.
It could be a fascinating race.
Crafty_ said:
Just dock WCC points instead and abolish grid penalties.
WCC isn't as high profile as WDC, so you'd still get tactical use of penalties by teams - especially if you have the kind of lead Mercedes have over the rest.Even if you set a sacrifice of one race of max. points per component, Mercedes could still replace a whole load of stuff without concern.
Crafty_ said:
Trabi601 said:
It makes a mockery of the spirit of the rules. Why should you be able to 'bank' spare components by taking penalties that have no effect as you're already at the back of the grid?
Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
They used to have that rule, but it was dropped on the basis of the Renault and Honda engines being immensely crap and causing high numbers of penalties. I think the mclaren boys got near 10th components last year. Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
Personally I don't think grid penalties is the right way to punish for over use of components full stop, let alone spanning them over multiple races.
Stops the penalties rolling up from race to race and there is actually more of a disadvantage than stacking a 80 place grid drop.
It would also encourage a full effort in qualifying (all 3 sectors) from that driver.
The Moose said:
Rather than points why not have seconds of penalty. If you're beyond (say) 3 secs from the back of the grid you have to start from the pit lane and are released however many corresponding seconds after the rest of the cars?
Stops the penalties rolling up from race to race and there is actually more of a disadvantage than stacking a 80 place grid drop.
It would also encourage a full effort in qualifying (all 3 sectors) from that driver.
I was thinking the same thing. The current penalties system has a loophole the size of a big thing. Stops the penalties rolling up from race to race and there is actually more of a disadvantage than stacking a 80 place grid drop.
It would also encourage a full effort in qualifying (all 3 sectors) from that driver.
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