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Vaud said:
The Moose said:
Rather than points why not have seconds of penalty. If you're beyond (say) 3 secs from the back of the grid you have to start from the pit lane and are released however many corresponding seconds after the rest of the cars?
Stops the penalties rolling up from race to race and there is actually more of a disadvantage than stacking a 80 place grid drop.
It would also encourage a full effort in qualifying (all 3 sectors) from that driver.
I was thinking the same thing. The current penalties system has a loophole the size of a big thing. Stops the penalties rolling up from race to race and there is actually more of a disadvantage than stacking a 80 place grid drop.
It would also encourage a full effort in qualifying (all 3 sectors) from that driver.
It would also allow a team/driver to make the call to sacrifice one race for the good of the others if they so desired.
Decent lap from Button there. Raikkonen must be kicking himself - messing up the first run put him under too much pressure on the second run and then on his second run he didn't nail the final sector... a real shame because S3 has been a strong point all weekend.
Vettel sounding like like he is losing his s
t on the radio.
Vettel sounding like like he is losing his s
t on the radio. 
at Button talking to the C4 lot. Wishing Webber happy birthday, then "I thought we were similar in age, I didn't realise you were such an old bugger!"The big flaw in the current engine component / transmission penalty system is that the penalties ruin the show, as we have seen today.
There must be a better method of enforcing the rules, eg fining teams constructors championship points, which does not bugger up the product that the sport is trying to sell to the paying punter.
There are some very clever people in F1, but also a collective lack of both common sense and ability to see the big picture.
There must be a better method of enforcing the rules, eg fining teams constructors championship points, which does not bugger up the product that the sport is trying to sell to the paying punter.
There are some very clever people in F1, but also a collective lack of both common sense and ability to see the big picture.
Trabi601 said:
It makes a mockery of the spirit of the rules. Why should you be able to 'bank' spare components by taking penalties that have no effect as you're already at the back of the grid?
Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
Four words:Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
IT'S THE SAME FOR EVERYONE
Edited by cgt2 on Saturday 27th August 14:56
cgt2 said:
Hilarious viewpoint. Four words:
IT'S THE SAME FOR EVERYONE
But it doesn't encourage the cost savings it was designed to promote.IT'S THE SAME FOR EVERYONE
At best, it encourages wealthy teams to push reliability envelopes, safe in the knowledge they can take a meaningless penalty in order to bank components for when they need them. I wasn't even aware you could 'bank' components for the future - that's what makes it a joke.
The best solution, but not the popular solution, is that once you've gone through your allocation for the season, you have to limp on with what's available or sit out the races.
Trabi601 said:
But it doesn't encourage the cost savings it was designed to promote.
At best, it encourages wealthy teams to push reliability envelopes, safe in the knowledge they can take a meaningless penalty in order to bank components for when they need them. I wasn't even aware you could 'bank' components for the future - that's what makes it a joke.
The best solution, but not the popular solution, is that once you've gone through your allocation for the season, you have to limp on with what's available or sit out the races.
I edited my comment as I felt it was a bit harsh. Personally I feel this all comes from lack of testing but overall I'm not sure the end result makes much difference as the big teams will always spend big irrespective of the situation. At best, it encourages wealthy teams to push reliability envelopes, safe in the knowledge they can take a meaningless penalty in order to bank components for when they need them. I wasn't even aware you could 'bank' components for the future - that's what makes it a joke.
The best solution, but not the popular solution, is that once you've gone through your allocation for the season, you have to limp on with what's available or sit out the races.
My view is to open it up and get rid of all these stupid rules no one understands anyway. It was pretty good until Mosley came along and overcomplicated everything.
The debacle over Quali this year shows how poorly managed and out of touch F1 management is at the moment.
cgt2 said:
Trabi601 said:
It makes a mockery of the spirit of the rules. Why should you be able to 'bank' spare components by taking penalties that have no effect as you're already at the back of the grid?
Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
Four words:Surely any penalty they're not able to take this weekend should roll over into subsequent races?
IT'S THE SAME FOR EVERYONE
Edited by cgt2 on Saturday 27th August 14:56
h about it.Trabi601 said:
Crafty_ said:
Just dock WCC points instead and abolish grid penalties.
WCC isn't as high profile as WDC, so you'd still get tactical use of penalties by teams - especially if you have the kind of lead Mercedes have over the rest.Even if you set a sacrifice of one race of max. points per component, Mercedes could still replace a whole load of stuff without concern.
I don't like that drivers also get penalised because an engine goes pop or whatever. Also, it robs spectators of some interest when penalties are handed out for component changes.
So, leave the drivers to race, don't affect WDC, but dock WCC points - and do it on a percentage basis so that its fairer to all teams.
Stacking won't give any advantage, because they'll lose points for each component. Small teams who lose an engine might lose (say) 5 WCC points, but a big team could lose (say) 20.
As I said a page or two back, everyone is struggling with the high temperatures and the high mandatory pressures which are maybe 30% higher than they'd prefer to run. This seems to have affected Mercedes more than the rest.
I think Lewis was a bit bemused by the qqualifying strategy, but its the sensible thing to do, no point in ripping up tyres to get nowhere. This is why the whole grid penalties for part changes doesn't really work imho.
Kimi lucky to get away with his little incident in Q3 and pulled it together, he tends to go well here, I wonder if he can make something of it.
Sky said several teams had told them to expect rain at 2pm, thats going to make it quite interesting to say the least if it does happen. Regardless of rain I don't think Nico will lead lap 1, it will be interesting to see if Rosberg decides to have another "but I was on full lock" moment trying to defend.
Lewis may have to be patient and pick his moments, rather than try to steam through the pack as fast as possible, to that end I wonder if he will go on an offset strategy for the first stop or two, so he's on the track whilst everyone pits to get clear track and pass a bunch of other cars easily.
Crafty_ said:
Sky said several teams had told them to expect rain at 2pm, thats going to make it quite interesting to say the least if it does happen. Regardless of rain I don't think Nico will lead lap 1, it will be interesting to see if Rosberg decides to have another "but I was on full lock" moment trying to defend.
Every chance as these things do come in threes and Britney is convinced he did no wrong. Crafty_ said:
Disagree.
I don't like that drivers also get penalised because an engine goes pop or whatever. Also, it robs spectators of some interest when penalties are handed out for component changes.
So, leave the drivers to race, don't affect WDC, but dock WCC points - and do it on a percentage basis so that its fairer to all teams.
Stacking won't give any advantage, because they'll lose points for each component. Small teams who lose an engine might lose (say) 5 WCC points, but a big team could lose (say) 20.
As I said a page or two back, everyone is struggling with the high temperatures and the high mandatory pressures which are maybe 30% higher than they'd prefer to run. This seems to have affected Mercedes more than the rest.
I think Lewis was a bit bemused by the qqualifying strategy, but its the sensible thing to do, no point in ripping up tyres to get nowhere. This is why the whole grid penalties for part changes doesn't really work imho.
Kimi lucky to get away with his little incident in Q3 and pulled it together, he tends to go well here, I wonder if he can make something of it.
Sky said several teams had told them to expect rain at 2pm, thats going to make it quite interesting to say the least if it does happen. Regardless of rain I don't think Nico will lead lap 1, it will be interesting to see if Rosberg decides to have another "but I was on full lock" moment trying to defend.
Lewis may have to be patient and pick his moments, rather than try to steam through the pack as fast as possible, to that end I wonder if he will go on an offset strategy for the first stop or two, so he's on the track whilst everyone pits to get clear track and pass a bunch of other cars easily.
From experience of the region, if it rains it will bucket down hard. If ambient temperatures remain high it may still take awhile for a dry line due to the nature of the circuit and drainage. This will play completely into Red Bull/Max's hands as he's already shown a lot of skill in low grip conditions. I fancy Button may also have a very strong result in those conditions and of course Hamilton will be on it.I don't like that drivers also get penalised because an engine goes pop or whatever. Also, it robs spectators of some interest when penalties are handed out for component changes.
So, leave the drivers to race, don't affect WDC, but dock WCC points - and do it on a percentage basis so that its fairer to all teams.
Stacking won't give any advantage, because they'll lose points for each component. Small teams who lose an engine might lose (say) 5 WCC points, but a big team could lose (say) 20.
As I said a page or two back, everyone is struggling with the high temperatures and the high mandatory pressures which are maybe 30% higher than they'd prefer to run. This seems to have affected Mercedes more than the rest.
I think Lewis was a bit bemused by the qqualifying strategy, but its the sensible thing to do, no point in ripping up tyres to get nowhere. This is why the whole grid penalties for part changes doesn't really work imho.
Kimi lucky to get away with his little incident in Q3 and pulled it together, he tends to go well here, I wonder if he can make something of it.
Sky said several teams had told them to expect rain at 2pm, thats going to make it quite interesting to say the least if it does happen. Regardless of rain I don't think Nico will lead lap 1, it will be interesting to see if Rosberg decides to have another "but I was on full lock" moment trying to defend.
Lewis may have to be patient and pick his moments, rather than try to steam through the pack as fast as possible, to that end I wonder if he will go on an offset strategy for the first stop or two, so he's on the track whilst everyone pits to get clear track and pass a bunch of other cars easily.
The only thing that may help Rosberg is that he should be able to keep temperature in his tyres if it rains but is still hot, but he just hasn't ever shown convincing ability in the wet.
If it does rain it's very likely Max will win his second race tomorrow.
cgt2 said:
deeen said:
He really looks unhappy... did the wrong driver get on the front row? New script required?
It appears he's already thinking about the sh*tstorm that will erupt over respective strategies if the kid wins again.
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