Discussion
MartG said:
Thread resurrection after last weekend's track limits controversy... 
Wouldn't it be fairly simple to fit the cars with a sensor which detects a wire buried in the edge of the track approximately half a car's width from the white line marking the edge of the track ? If the sensor is triggered it would mean that the centreline of the car is half the car's width from the track, therefore it must have all 4 wheels over the line.
If such a sensor was fitted it could either send a signal to the stewards, or even automatically cut engine power for 5s each time
FYI discussed at length in the USAGP thread.Wouldn't it be fairly simple to fit the cars with a sensor which detects a wire buried in the edge of the track approximately half a car's width from the white line marking the edge of the track ? If the sensor is triggered it would mean that the centreline of the car is half the car's width from the track, therefore it must have all 4 wheels over the line.
If such a sensor was fitted it could either send a signal to the stewards, or even automatically cut engine power for 5s each time
Please no more invisible, binary, overly technological sticking plasters affecting the cars.
Strategically placed pressure pads beyond kerbs on corner exits. ‘n’ warnings for exceeding track limits followed by time penalties. Done. System already in use at Snetterton if you want a case study. I raced there in September- I was black flagged twice in Friday testing for exceeding track limits and told that if I did it in qualifying , the lap time would’ve been deleted. Guess what? I was more accurate on Saturday morning.
Wouldn't solve a last minute 'lunge' on the last lap of the last corner (which would need steward attention) but it may help during the races............
Instead of slippery astro turf or gravel or whatever off track to keep them within the lines (if they are deemed too unsafe):
Horrible abrasive sandpaper-on-steroids type paint or material that seriously chews up the tyres?
Still a run off and offers grip to slow down if an accident or just been plain too fastyet punishes guys massively if they go offline or try sneak around the outside of another driver.....without putting them out of the race or into an accident.
Thoughts?
Instead of slippery astro turf or gravel or whatever off track to keep them within the lines (if they are deemed too unsafe):
Horrible abrasive sandpaper-on-steroids type paint or material that seriously chews up the tyres?
Still a run off and offers grip to slow down if an accident or just been plain too fastyet punishes guys massively if they go offline or try sneak around the outside of another driver.....without putting them out of the race or into an accident.
Thoughts?
allsop83 said:
Wouldn't solve a last minute 'lunge' on the last lap of the last corner (which would need steward attention) but it may help during the races............
Instead of slippery astro turf or gravel or whatever off track to keep them within the lines (if they are deemed too unsafe):
Horrible abrasive sandpaper-on-steroids type paint or material that seriously chews up the tyres?
Still a run off and offers grip to slow down if an accident or just been plain too fastyet punishes guys massively if they go offline or try sneak around the outside of another driver.....without putting them out of the race or into an accident.
Thoughts?
Put sensors in the cars. Any more than two wheels off the track and your engine goes into limp mode for 1s.Instead of slippery astro turf or gravel or whatever off track to keep them within the lines (if they are deemed too unsafe):
Horrible abrasive sandpaper-on-steroids type paint or material that seriously chews up the tyres?
Still a run off and offers grip to slow down if an accident or just been plain too fastyet punishes guys massively if they go offline or try sneak around the outside of another driver.....without putting them out of the race or into an accident.
Thoughts?
Sorted.
CraigyMc said:
Put sensors in the cars. Any more than two wheels off the track and your engine goes into limp mode for 1s.
Sorted.
I think there would need to be a delay. Knifedge balance mid corner and an engine going into limp mode is going to impact the balance significantly. Try it on a track day in your car, and see how quickly it turns bad.Sorted.
How do I know? My last Griffith had a fault on the alarm system which used to kick in the immobiliser now and again. Interesting when pressing on - especially in the wet.
Any such limp mode or unbalancing measure will need to be deployed with the driver's prior awareness that it is just about to happen.
i understand why some circuits can't put permanent kerbs or whatever there because they need to use the circuit for bikes too, but why can't they just put some temporary barriers on the apex/exit of corners for car races? 40y ago a load of hay bales would have done the job, presumably something more modern and 'F1' like big polystyrene blocks covered in advertising would work just aswell - it doesn't need to be anything very solid, just enough to knacker the front wing a bit if you clip it.
It wouldn't have to be as drastic or sudden as going instantly into limp mode. You could just disable electrical power deployment for 30 seconds, or a minute, or a lap, or whatever, just enough for them to lose some time without putting anyone into a needlessly dangerous predicament.
SeeFive said:
CraigyMc said:
Put sensors in the cars. Any more than two wheels off the track and your engine goes into limp mode for 1s.
Sorted.
I think there would need to be a delay. Knifedge balance mid corner and an engine going into limp mode is going to impact the balance significantly. Try it on a track day in your car, and see how quickly it turns bad.Sorted.
How do I know? My last Griffith had a fault on the alarm system which used to kick in the immobiliser now and again. Interesting when pressing on - especially in the wet.
Any such limp mode or unbalancing measure will need to be deployed with the driver's prior awareness that it is just about to happen.
All the street circuits are able to fit and remove special kerbs on the inside of corners for their 'once a year' F1 races.
Rather than any fancy electronics, just install some suitably aggressive kerbs in those limited areas where an advantage could be gained by fully exceeding the track limits. Then remove them for the rest of the year if there is any suggestion they could be a hazard for bikes or amateurs.
It's a simple issue that just needs a simple solution.
Rather than any fancy electronics, just install some suitably aggressive kerbs in those limited areas where an advantage could be gained by fully exceeding the track limits. Then remove them for the rest of the year if there is any suggestion they could be a hazard for bikes or amateurs.
It's a simple issue that just needs a simple solution.
Cyder said:
I've got a novel idea, what about... grass on the other side of the white line?
These have been done before and also with astro turf.The issue was when someone went wide the car would rip the grass/astro onto the track which would then cause issues for other drivers.
Also when it was wet if a driver went onto this it would spin the car and normally cause an accident with another driver.
With F1 going too safe I very much doubt they would go down this route again.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
These have been done before and also with astro turf.
The issue was when someone went wide the car would rip the grass/astro onto the track which would then cause issues for other drivers.
Also when it was wet if a driver went onto this it would spin the car and normally cause an accident with another driver.
With F1 going too safe I very much doubt they would go down this route again.
So don't go onto the grass then.The issue was when someone went wide the car would rip the grass/astro onto the track which would then cause issues for other drivers.
Also when it was wet if a driver went onto this it would spin the car and normally cause an accident with another driver.
With F1 going too safe I very much doubt they would go down this route again.
Would it not be much easier to have more personal in race control watching the incidents as they happen?
A small team looking at accidents or racing incidents and another looking at track limits and unsafe releases in the pits.
This would hopefully stop race control having to review matters after the race has finished due to too much going on.
Any driver found guilty of exceeding track limits during the race and found guilty would require to take a drive through the pits without any pit stop taking place.
If this happens during qualifying then the time is deleted.
A small team looking at accidents or racing incidents and another looking at track limits and unsafe releases in the pits.
This would hopefully stop race control having to review matters after the race has finished due to too much going on.
Any driver found guilty of exceeding track limits during the race and found guilty would require to take a drive through the pits without any pit stop taking place.
If this happens during qualifying then the time is deleted.
https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/amp/YWDyWVe6/s...
This is how all non-street circuit F1 tracks should be.
Normal Curb ---> Nasty Curb ---> Little bit of Astroturf ---> Gravel/Grass.
This is how all non-street circuit F1 tracks should be.
Normal Curb ---> Nasty Curb ---> Little bit of Astroturf ---> Gravel/Grass.
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